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[bkk]

The good old days before FF

? What? fast food? fed fry? Fred Fraser?

[Rodney]

Thanks to ED, bederko and bkk for contributing their knowledge on this subject as they are involved in this field.

ED is actually learning something on the rock other than fishing after all.

[FishingFitz]

My friend has caught a steelhead jack in a system without rainbows, it was about half pound to a pound and fairly couloured up. Just adding some proof to the previous talk of it. I'd add the picture but im not sure how

[fishfryer]

had to read through an awful lot before bbk rightly mentioned that jacls are very beneficial to the genetic diversity of the run...good info!

[fishfryer]

sorry, bkk, crappy eyes...

[Rodney]

My friend has caught a steelhead jack in a system without rainbows, it was about half pound to a pound and fairly couloured up. Just adding some proof to the previous talk of it. I'd add the picture but im not sure how

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[BCfisherman97]

Yeup, last year caught a coloured jack chum around the beginning of December. Really wish I had taken a picture now but it was just so cold.

[Chehalis_Steel]

Ah yes, the purpose of jacks.

They are mature fish and have milt and they die after they spawn just like all other pacific salmon.
Nature has it that that when male and female spawn not all the eggs are fertilized. Some go to waste.
Eggs can only live for a few seconds in the water and become fetilized. After about 5 seconds they are duds.
The purpose of jacks is to fertilize eggs that would not otherwise be fertilized.
Becase jacks are small and look like females, big males won't fight and possibly injure them.
So when the female releases eggs the big males will fertilize a majority of the eggs and jacks will fertilize a bit more.
That way a higher percentage of eggs are fertilized.
So they do get their "squirt" in without a problem
This is just nature's way of increasing the reproduction of these fish.

That makes sense but why would they all be hatchery fish? The system I've been fishing isn't known to have that many hatchery fish, maybe about 1 in 5 caught would typically be hatchery, the rest wild. Come to think of it, I've actually never caught a wild jack coho, despite the crazy numbers of jacks I'm getting this year.

[hookR]

Come to think of it, I've actually never caught a wild jack coho, despite the crazy numbers of jacks I'm getting this year.

I caught quite alot of jacks this year and all hatchery except on Tuesday I got a wild coho jack. First time I ever seen one wild.

[adriaticum]

? What? fast food? fed fry? Fred Fraser?

Fish farms

[Dave]

? What? fast food? fed fry? Fred Fraser?

Like the Fred Fraser part
A bit more on jacks  ... Cultus sockeye have a very large component of jacks every 4 years and a surprising number are females.  Both males and females are used in the hatchery program for this endangered stock.
I have seen female coho jacks but only rarely and in over fifty years of angling the Vedder I have seen one jack steelhead.

[Silex-user]

I have caught quite few bright silver 1/2 pounder (jacks) Vedder river winter steelheads weighting in around 1-1.5 pounds during last 33 years. I believed female coho jack is called a Jill.



Silex-user

[yoda]

Very interesting thread. I also now that you mention it, caught a lot of jacks as well. Let them all go. More than previous seasons.
Was looking for the bigger fish, but find all of this thread fascinating.

[clarki]

Interesting discussion, folks.

I have caught quite few bright silver 1/2 pounder (jacks) Vedder river winter steelheads weighting in around 1-1.5 pounds during last 33 years. I believed female coho jack is called a Jill.

Having never caught a steelhead jack myself, and not having fished the Vedder for steelhead in many years, I am interested how you can determine that a 1-1.5 lb steelhead is indeed a steelhead, and not a residualized rainbow trout that never smolted. Apart from a scale sample, that is

Not doubting you, just curious.

[adriaticum]

Interesting discussion, folks.
Having never caught a steelhead jack myself, and not having fished the Vedder for steelhead in many years, I am interested how you can determine that a 1-1.5 lb steelhead is indeed a steelhead, and not a residualized rainbow trout that never smolted. Apart from a scale sample, that is

Not doubting you, just curious.

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