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[buck]

Firebird: As a cost saving measure well water is not turned on until the 1st of December which saves the hatchery about $6000.  In past years the well was always turned on the 1st of November. Juveniles during that time would gain approximately 10-12 grams of additional growth compared to being on ambient river temperatures. It is unfortunate the province doesn't step up to the plate and inject some $ for the rearing of steelhead.

[Dennis.t]

Firebird: As a cost saving measure well water is not turned on until the 1st of December which saves the hatchery about $6000.  In past years the well was always turned on the 1st of November. Juveniles during that time would gain approximately 10-12 grams of additional growth compared to being on ambient river temperatures. It is unfortunate the province doesn't step up to the plate and inject some $ for the rearing of steelhead.

Moe or Dfo doesnt give a dam about wild steelhead, just look at the Thompson debacle. On the other hand,the Cowichan steelhead hatchery program ended due to lack of funding. Despite a howl of protest.And its doing for very well this yr for returning wild fish.The Stamp on the other hand seems to be in trouble again. Have not heard much about the Gold as that river is not talked about much.

[Johnny Canuck]

Moe or Dfo doesnt give a dam about wild steelhead, just look at the Thompson debacle.

What do you think either group could do to make things better?

[Every Day]

The Stamp on the other hand seems to be in trouble again. Have not heard much about the Gold as that river is not talked about much.

I'll just say every river out here, whether it be north island, west coast, or east coast, is having an off year. Gold was not fishing good at all this year. Most of the small rivers I fish have been having a terrible year (almost alarming really), and even some of the "easy picking" rivers haven't been so at all. The cowy seems to be the one exception for fish numbers for some reason.

As for the DFO and MOE comment, I don't even know where to begin. We need to stop blaming those agencies and start looking at the higher powers here. There is only so much you can do when all your funding is cut (from the gov) and you get down to 1 "anadromous fish biologist" on the island. Same with DFO. Both those agencies do what they can, but at the end of the day they are swamped. You should be grateful for the amount of stream rehab work they have been able to do.  What your sentence should say is "The Canadian government doesn't give a dam about wild steelhead," or for that matter, anything else that has to do with our environment.

[bederko]

 Moe or Dfo doesnt give a dam about wild steelhead, just look at the Thompson debacle.
As for the DFO and MOE comment, I don't even know where to begin. We need to stop blaming those agencies and start looking at the higher powers here. There is only so much you can do when all your funding is cut (from the gov) and you get down to 1 "anadromous fish biologist" on the island. Same with DFO. Both those agencies do what they can, but at the end of the day they are swamped. You should be grateful for the amount of stream rehab work they have been able to do.  What your sentence should say is "The Canadian government doesn't give a dam about wild steelhead," or for that matter, anything else that has to do with our environment.

Finally we get past the blame game. Do you really believe DFO or MOE don't care?

The government has one pot of tax payers money and with more and more of it being swallowed up by the Health system and the education system for that matter, the rest of the ministries get cut. The best bang for the buck and all just to get reelected.

[liketofish]

If it is decided chinooks deserve this warmer water at the expense of steelhead I say stop the steelhead hatchery program and leave what's left of this wild population to live or die on it's own.

That can be a disaster to the wild steelhead with more poaching for a fish in winter there and wild fish will go down the drain much faster.

[Dave]

Good to see we are finally having a discussion on this topic

[Dennis.t]

What do you think either group could do to make things better?

Curtail the Fraser river commercial fall chum fishery. End these ridiculous shot gun openings. Put money into habitat restoration. That would be a start on the Thompson / Release more smolts at a larger size. Start a lottery system to reduce pressure.Close fishing below the Bailey Bridge.More enforcement,which would help the Vedder steelhead fishery / On the Stamp they need start releasing the smolts in the lower river so they will imprint there and spread the fish out,how it used to be. Now you have a gong show at the Falls pool and down to the bucket where all the winter runs stage / Cowie is doing fine this yr (what a wonderful river to fish out of a driftboat) so its status quo there for now ,although due to logging in the upper  watershed has resulted in large volumes of water after a heavy rain./ The Gold has banned bait and closed the Circus pool, not sure what more can be done there as it is a all wild steelhead river. I think ocean survival is a problem on it.

[troutbreath]

With the 60 million the federal government is giving to salmon farmers for "regulatory certainty", the fish farmers will be able to show you it's better to buy one of there fish. Why put money in a hatchery that only helps the few people who fish, and all the dangers that come with it. When one and all can just go to the store and buy a fish.

[jetboatjim]

"Curtail the Fraser river commercial fall chum fishery" - The one opening a year is the problem ?

'End these ridiculous shot gun openings"- this is only an angler problem

' Put money into habitat restoration"- if you were involved you would know that MANY groups put money into habitat restoration.

'Release more smolts at a larger size" - no money to do this and timing is important,risidulazation is a bigger problem.

"Start a lottery system to reduce pressure"- this is not a solution , this is just crazy talk


The Gold has banned bait" - and this worked really good on the squamish too , saved all 50 steelhead....lol

[Dennis.t]

"Curtail the Fraser river commercial fall chum fishery" - The one opening a year is the problem ?

'End these ridiculous shot gun openings"- this is only an angler problem

' Put money into habitat restoration"- if you were involved you would know that MANY groups put money into habitat restoration.

'Release more smolts at a larger size" - no money to do this and timing is important,risidulazation is a bigger problem.

"Start a lottery system to reduce pressure"- this is not a solution , this is just crazy talk


The Gold has banned bait" - and this worked really good on the squamish too , saved all 50 steelhead....lol

And what do you suggest?

[milo]

It is a well-known fact that underfunded projects yield less than stellar results.
The Vedder hatchery and habitat restoration projects are no exception. From hatchery programs to erosion contention, there is lots that can be done to improve the river for fishing, but unfortunately there is never enough money.

Therefore, I suggest designating the Vedder as classified water, and propose a $10-15 dollar stamp ($20-30$ for non residents) for the privilege to fish it, with ALL the money going exclusively towards the needs of the river and its diverse fisheries.
With the number of anglers who fish the Vedder year round, that would end up being quite a lot of money.

Who among us who fish this river wouldn't agree to pay the extra money knowing that it is being put to good use? For the price of a couple of beers in a pub, we could make a big difference!

I would like to know what steps are needed to make this happen.

[HOOK]

Milo - you looking at this being all year round or just during the steely fishery ?

I would pay it but im sure all the people not buying licenses now wouldnt bother.


HOOK - loves watching the people sprinting for their cars in fall when the CO shows up, its even better watching them all get nailed by his/her partner 

[islanddude]

Hire a lobbyist to go to Ottawa to grease the wheels for the sport and sport commercial industry. This should come from all sports fisherman, guides, fishing resorts, tackle stores, boat builders etc.How do you think corporations get to regulate what doesn't belong to them. Find ways to inform your neighbor,anybody who is in your sphere of influence, talk to anybody and everybody.Find a cheap way to mount a media campaign. Maybe then those who we elected to represent us will listen to common sense. But you know what they say "Money talks and common sense walks".

[milo]

Milo - you looking at this being all year round or just during the steely fishery ?

Year round. Pay a classified waters stamp when you buy your license if you want to fish the Vedder at all.
Put all the proceeds into Vedder river projects.
Simple.