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[shuswapsteve]

but it's all put together by the farmers in there defense ! sorry...

So, because this map was put together by salmon farmers it is incorrect?  Are you saying these sites don't exist? 
 
http://www.al.gov.bc.ca/fisheries/cabinet/finfish_tenures.pdf
 
Did it ever occur to you that Ms Morton doesn't necessarily cite where the map on her blog comes from?

[shuswapsteve]

I was talking all salmon in general. And I ment it as I hope it will be as good as this year.

Pinks are odd and even year.  They have a short, fixed 2 year life span.  With the Fraser, the odd year pinks are dominant whereas it can be the opposite in other places on the coast.

Most Fraser Sockeye return as 4 year olds.

[Fisherbob]

Pinks are odd and even year.  They have a short, fixed 2 year life span.  With the Fraser, the odd year pinks are dominant whereas it can be the opposite in other places on the coast.

Most Fraser Sockeye return as 4 year olds.

  Thanks Steve. . I screwed up. Just saying we cant depend on the same number of salmon coming back each year.

[Fisherbob]

Well they seem to be doing pretty good as in no regular mass infections and fish being trucked off to the dump like around here.

There stats on the good work:
 http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/fishing/PDFs/hatcheries/2013_ak_hatcheries.pdf

and again because they banned salmon farming it has upset some folk. But if they raised them in land based tanks the same folk would be upset......it is what it is.

Yup they seem to be doing well TB. 
"On the other hand, certain private nonprofit organizations focus on the pen-rearing of fish, and more traditional salmon raising techniques. Funds to support the nonprofit hatcheries come from two sources: an enhancement tax on fish caught by commercial fishermen, and a cost-recovery program that allows each operation to harvest and sell a certain number of fish each year."
http://www.jobmonkey.com/alaska/html/other_fisheries_jobs.html


  http://www.adn.com/article/biologists-look-ocean-clues-alaska-king-salmon-collapse

[shuswapsteve]

and how much is this gonna cost us over taxed tax payers ? no 1 ever answered that !

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2014/09/30/algae-kills-280k-farmed-fish

Not sure if it's going to cost taxpayers unless Marine Harvest was order to destroy fish.  We are not talking about a disease like IHN or ISA.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/compensation/eng/1313712524829/1313712773700

Salmon farmers in Canada received around 93 million over 3 years in compensation after being order to destroy farmed salmon - either infected farmed salmon or farmed salmon in close proximity to the infected ones.  Did you know that other farmers (land agriculture) get compensated also under the same legislation?  Taxpayers are paying for them also.  Are you angry about that?  What is provided in compensation to fish farmers is far less than what they would get if the fish survived to market.  If farm critics don't like this compensation that's fine, but then eliminate it for other farmers also.

http://salmonfarmscience.com/2014/09/30/more-complaining-about-salmon-aquaculture-compensation-is-unmerited/

[Novabonker]

Not sure if it's going to cost taxpayers unless Marine Harvest was order to destroy fish.  We are not talking about a disease like IHN or ISA.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/compensation/eng/1313712524829/1313712773700

Salmon farmers in Canada received around 93 million over 3 years in compensation after being order to destroy farmed salmon - either infected farmed salmon or farmed salmon in close proximity to the infected ones.

And how many of those companies on the west coast are Canadaian owned? So our tax money should be used to prop up off shore companies that fail?



 Did you know that other farmers (land agriculture) get compensated also under the same legislation?  Taxpayers are paying for them also.  Are you angry about that?  What is provided in compensation to fish farmers is far less than what they would get if the fish survived to market.  If farm critics don't like this compensation that's fine, but then eliminate it for other farmers also.

No business venture- NONE- should be getting our tax money to survive. I own a business and it's up to me to sink or swim.

http://salmonfarmscience.com/2014/09/30/more-complaining-about-salmon-aquaculture-compensation-is-unmerited/

Getting posting points from Bawb?

[Fisherbob]

Getting posting points from Bawb?

Are you any better With your propaganda posting Nova?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_ownership_of_companies_of_Canada

[salmonrook]

Salmon farmers in Canada received around 93 million over 3 years in compensation after being order to destroy farmed salmon - either infected farmed salmon or farmed salmon in close proximity to the infected ones.  Did you know that other farmers (land agriculture) get compensated also under the same legislation?  Taxpayers are paying for them also.  Are you angry about that?  What is provided in compensation to fish farmers is far less than what they would get if the fish survived to market.  If farm critics don't like this compensation that's fine, but then eliminate it for other farmers also.

Salmon farmers dont own the land.I assume they pay a lease on it but that is not the same .They are not responsible for it the same way a livestock farmer would be .I know that all waters are owned by gov"t but its not a fair comparison.If a land based farmer wants to move his business he has to sell the land he is on.

[aquapaloosa]

Salmon farmers dont own the land.I assume they pay a lease on it but that is not the same .They are not responsible for it the same way a livestock farmer would be .I know that all waters are owned by gov"t but its not a fair comparison.If a land based farmer wants to move his business he has to sell the land he is on.

Many cattle farmers lease land for their cattle to occupy.  I'm not sure what your getting at here SR.  Compensation is for the loss. It has nothing to do with land.

[shuswapsteve]

Getting posting points from Bawb?

Maybe you need some posting points yourself.....

We are not talking about companies that fail (i.e. bankruptcy) and are bailed out for it - we are talking about legislated compensation given to farmers (aquaculture, beef, chicken, pig, etc.) when they are ordered by the same legislation to destroy their livestock or fish due to an infectious disease.

[shuswapsteve]

Salmon farmers dont own the land.I assume they pay a lease on it but that is not the same .They are not responsible for it the same way a livestock farmer would be .I know that all waters are owned by gov"t but its not a fair comparison.If a land based farmer wants to move his business he has to sell the land he is on.

I agree with aqua, not sure where you are coming from as many farmers lease land to other farmers to use.  Farmers don't have to sell the land if they want to move.  That means that some farmers don't own the land they raise their crops or livestock on - someone else does. My late father-in-law was a farmer and leased out land to others.  Does the cattle rancher that has his cattle grazing on Crown Land (most land in BC is Crown Land) own that land? The fact is that grazing in BC is authorized under the Range Act. Do you think we should be concerned with livestock-caused changes to water quality, stream bank erosion and riparian habitat?

It is not the same because they are not responsible for it the same way a livestock farmer would be? Well...you are right it isn't the same...actually salmon farming deals with more regulations and legislation.
 
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/management-gestion/regs-eng.htm

[Novabonker]

Maybe you need some posting points yourself.....

We are not talking about companies that fail (i.e. bankruptcy) and are bailed out for it - we are talking about legislated compensation given to farmers (aquaculture, beef, chicken, pig, etc.) when they are ordered by the same legislation to destroy their livestock or fish due to an infectious disease.

Politely put - utter codswallop. Automotive industry bailouts? Tax breaks for very profitable oil and gas companies? Same for the movie industry? and on and on.......

And just to put that utter load of BULL$&^T to rest about the feedlot crap factories, read this.

http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/21654/federal-400-million-fund-to-enhance-canadas-fishing-industry

or this

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/canadian-taxpayers-bail-norwegian-fish-farms-diseased-fish/

Don't let facts get in the way of you're drone of propaganda 

[Fisherbob]

"More than 19,000 Newfoundlanders and Labradorians currently employed in the provincial fishing and aquaculture industry, primarily in rural areas of the province, will benefit directly from the new opportunities created with this funding."

Not sure what you are trying to put in the pot you are stirring Nova, but from where I am standing it still looks empty.

[troutbreath]

  Thanks Steve. . I screwed up. Just saying we cant depend on the same number of salmon coming back each year.

How unlike you Bawb. Best to just post a link to your favorite sites for people to read if they want some fiction. Keeps you at least a fingers length from the faxtx.

[Fisherbob]

Your pot looks empty also TB. Just a suggestion and this "is" simply a suggestion. You may make yourself look a bit more usefull if you put something worth listening too and a bit of substance in your pot.
  To me, thinking the same number of salmon coming back each year would be dreaming. That is why farming in Alaska, BC and Washington started. The wild fishery was simply not sustainable.
Hence to the jobs on net pen salmon farms in Alaska. And it looks like they also grow out salmon for market sale.
http://www.jobmonkey.com/alaska/html/other_fisheries_jobs.html
  Oops sorry, in alaska they like to call it fisheries jobs. My bad