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chris gadsden

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2370 on: September 06, 2016, 06:54:39 PM »

Great rally in Vancouver today, for those interested my pictures are on Salmon are Sacred, there was CTV coverage as well, have not checked for the link yet. I filmed most of the rally, will post them as I get them uploaded.
One of the video I filmed yesterday, powerful. https://youtu.be/hydcNc2Bfik

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2371 on: September 06, 2016, 10:04:35 PM »

One of the video I filmed yesterday, powerful. https://youtu.be/hydcNc2Bfik

Food trucks downtown must have been busy.

Read some really funny comments by farm critics in one of the recent Tyee articles. Here's my favourite....

What study do you have that tells us that putting millions of fish in one area that is frequented by wild fish will not disrupt the life cycles of the wild fish? For all you know, wild fish may not feel the need to breed because of the unnatural number of salmon in their natural environment. Nature knows how to balance herself. The wild fish may decide there isn't enough food to raise their own young. The only real certainty about man is that the more he knows the more he knows he doesn't know. We are only proving our stupidity by growing fish in a feedlot and our failures to protect the wild stocks.

If he/she is talking about wild salmon they do not raise their young. Most fish do not care for their young, but there are some species that do.  However, we are not talking about cichlids and Siamese fighting fish with this issue.

Noticed that Ms Morton chimed in and as usual took off once she was challenged. So much for "Hard Evidence".....so rock solid, but unable to actually defend it.  Instead, people that are critical of her recent expedition need to submit responses to scientific journals and have them published in order to get a response. I guess that's why the message and any replies to it are tightly controlled on her sites. Ironically, this is how the Harper Government rolled.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/08/31/First-Nations-Fish-Farm-Eviction-Rallies/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=083116-2&utm_campaign=editorial-0816
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2372 on: September 09, 2016, 08:40:17 AM »

Food trucks downtown must have been busy.
Really?

Federal employees making racist comments...
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2373 on: September 09, 2016, 11:25:52 AM »

Uh, how is that racist?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2374 on: September 09, 2016, 02:49:06 PM »

Really?

Federal employees making racist comments...

Food trucks that sell food on the street (i.e. mobile restaurants) is racist? Really? Lol

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Vancouver+food+trucks+worth+visit+revisit+with/8798419/story.html
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2377 on: September 13, 2016, 06:28:40 PM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2379 on: September 14, 2016, 07:46:08 AM »

There's always distraction as a tactic for not showing the skid marks on the underwear...... ;)


Hey look Dad - the other lemmings are jumping off of the cliff! Can we do it too?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2380 on: September 14, 2016, 07:32:26 PM »

Or there's always the pot calling the kettle black....or there's people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...or let he who without sin cast the first stone.....Lots of neat ways to look at it.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2381 on: September 16, 2016, 02:20:54 PM »

Or those that aren't so bling that they can see the Emperor isn't wearing clothes. Let's see here......According to wiki, humpback whales can and do feed on salmon. Now were there any salmon at the feedlot?It really must be taxing to be right all the time Brian. I heard you were wrong once, but it turns out you were simply mistaken. ;)
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2382 on: September 16, 2016, 06:47:50 PM »

What's taxing is hearing a grown man whine all the time so I will refrain from hurting your feelings anymore with this incident regarding the whale. 
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2383 on: September 19, 2016, 12:05:50 PM »

You're confused Steve. Along with many others, we're just over the moon with joy that you come down from the Mount to impart your higher levels of non partisan wisdom onb us little people.


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« Reply #2384 on: September 19, 2016, 10:50:47 PM »

Not confused at all....When the discussion doesn't go your way you start complaining then you make this personal. Look what you are doing now. It would be really easy to be impulsive and jab back, but this merry-go-round gets boring and it detracts from the issue.

This isn't about me being right and you being wrong - it's about providing some balance to show that whales are also injured in commercial nets. It's not nice in either circumstance for the whale and it certainly doesn't mean because one sector is doing it that it's fine for others. However, before critics start pointing fingers at fish farms they should realize that this isn't at all isolated to just fish farms. The fact is that thousands of cetaceans are caught and injured in commercial nets and fishing gear each year - not just here but in other places in the world. Kind of a big fact to ignore.

Salmon Are Sacred folks just vilify fish farms for this and make it appear as a problem with aquaculture alone which it's not.  Not one member on that site (a site of apparent conservationists) mentioned the obvious omission.  Then Alexandra Morton uses this as a lead in to start talking about fish farms attracting whales which are attracted to the herring that are apparently feeding on feed pellets, but fails to mention the fact that the farm site in question had no nets or fish at the time.  Despite this, I'm sure Marine Harvest will want to review what happened in order to prevent this from happening again because it's not in their best interests to have this happen. Instead of pointing fingers at Marine Harvest at what they plan to do to prevent this from happening again, Morton might want to inquire from her supporters in the commercial industry about what they are doing to reduce these incidents with cetaceans themselves.
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