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troutbreath

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2013, 08:23:26 PM »

Maybe land based tanks? This paranoia about anti fish farming is getting unpalatable. 
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2013, 08:36:40 PM »

For a guy that claimed to be against fish farms in the beginning, you sure have turned into a shill for them.

I think that was the plan all along.

I agree Easywater, thats not hard to see.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2013, 09:12:59 PM »

About time she lost that accreditation as it was most likely embarrassing to responsible biologists, Canada wide.
It really is mind boggling how some people seem to need this scapegoat known as the danger's of salmon farms for declining salmon returns, but continue and indeed demand harvest rates and shares of economical and social aspirations to kill wild salmon IE, commercial, sports, aboriginal fisheries, sports shops, guides, tackle companies, fish and game clubs/ societies and many others who firmly believe they are not at fault.
Fisherbob has offered a lot of links for people to see what Ms. Morton is all about ....  IMO she has harmed future wild BC salmon with her demand to halt salmon farming and to only eat wild, because there are virtually no wild salmon populations in BC able to withstand increased harvest pressures, by any user group. Having said that I expect a larger market for FN caught salmon now, with all that brings, thanks to Morton.
There are however, lots of ranched Alaskan salmon out there in the Pacific competing with BC fish – could she perhaps be advocating for increasing that consumption?   To me that's not in BC’s best economic interest but my opinion aside, if not from Alaska, where do these non farmed salmon come from?



It was not unexpected that we would finally hear a rant from one of the pro feedlot boys....  especially since a few of them have become strangely silent.

If the rant was prompted by the rumor that Alex's name was "removed from the College of Applied Biology of British Columbia", perhaps you could provide a link to support that.  I suspect that the basis for that rumor was probably found on the same site that Fisherbob seems to get his "facts".

It's too bad that the folks that post on that site don't even have the courage to identify themselves....
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2013, 09:24:00 PM »

It was not unexpected that we would finally hear a rant from one of the pro feedlot boys....  especially since a few of them have become strangely silent.

If the rant was prompted by the rumor that Alex's name was "removed from the College of Applied Biology of British Columbia", perhaps you could provide a link to support that.  I suspect that the basis for that rumor was probably found on the same site that Fisherbob seems to get his "facts".

It's too bad that the folks that post on that site don't even have the courage to identify themselves....
I have posted on that site and my name is Dave Barnes  ..who are you?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2013, 09:39:14 PM »

I have posted on that site and my name is Dave Barnes  ..who are you?

cue Jeopardy theme music.......
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2013, 06:48:51 AM »

I have posted on that site and my name is Dave Barnes  ..who are you?

I already know who you are and you know who i am.......

Are you or aquapaloosa going to provide some evidence of the rumor you're spreading about Morton????? .......... or will you just continue to throw out allegations without any factual basis?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2013, 09:01:11 AM »

Good feedback and debating on this site
"sixth; “groups like forest ethics” have been successful because of the desire to work with industry the public, and stakeholders in finding the middle ground and compromise necessary to find creative solutions to complex problems. Morton refuses to participate in the debate and continues to insist on removing all farms from the coast. no compromises no middle ground."
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/09/26/alexandra-mortons-heartland-institute/
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2013, 09:32:42 PM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2013, 08:58:25 AM »

Is this why Morton says nothing about the Atlantic feedlots in Washington or the fish farms in Alaska?  Just asking.
http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/funders-of-hype-against-salmon-farmers


http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/sites/default/files/Follow%20the%20money%20feature.pdf
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2013, 03:23:11 PM »

http://www.packard.org/what-we-fund/conservation-and-science/

Get yer facts in a pile a read something other than that self serving propaganda from the dirty fish crowd. I just looked up the #1 bad boy foundation for the dirty fish crowd and that foundation seems to do all sorts of good things. The web site you keep using as a referance is completely biased. But maybe you like biased :-\
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2013, 06:30:18 AM »

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/04/25/TideTurningSalmonFarm/

I was especially shocked to see how little the feedlots contribute economically according to government agencies, not fish farm pravda. Back to fisherbawb and some self serving bologna. ;)
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2013, 07:59:29 AM »

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/04/25/TideTurningSalmonFarm/

I was especially shocked to see how little the feedlots contribute economically according to government agencies, not fish farm pravda. Back to fisherbawb and some self serving bologna. ;)

Interesting article... thanks for posting:  "the industry should be concerned that the jig is up for the defense upon which it traditionally falls back - namely, the "jobs" argument............. For instance, in 2011, according to DFO and Stats BC, sport fishing produced revenues of $925 million, contributing $325 million to BC's GDP and 8,400 direct jobs. Compare that with the Norwegian-dominated aquaculture industry, which produced $469 million in revenues (that's for all aquaculture, of which salmon farms are only one component). Salmon farms specifically contributed just $8.5 million to our GDP."

It does make more sense to have more folks out there trying to "catch" fish rather than having Norwegian owned feedlots polluting our waters and infecting our wild salmon.....
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2013, 08:32:44 AM »

Someone should suggest to Gillis that he get his facts straight.

The real numbers can be found here:http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/Files/0c4250f8-e4ee-45b9-b1fa-247ae1a98590/BritishColumbiasFisheriesandAquacultureSector2012Edition.pdf.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2013, 09:14:52 AM »

Someone should suggest to Gillis that he get his facts straight.

The real numbers can be found here:http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/Files/0c4250f8-e4ee-45b9-b1fa-247ae1a98590/BritishColumbiasFisheriesandAquacultureSector2012Edition.pdf.

Welcome back... and thanks for posting that. It appears that Gillis does have his facts straight, as he was obviously quoting from this same publication.
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