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[Novabonker]

perhaps the sediment under the net pens

Then maybe Dave you might take the time to tell me why lobster stocks are undeniably being compromised on the east coast? What is the root cause that areas around open net pens that used to be quite productive (for generations) are utterly barren now? Remember, lobsters are bottom feeders.Naw- wouldn't have anything to do with the "emissions" from the feedlot would it? I can't find any other reason.....

[Dave]

Nova, you know I'm talking about BC here.  I have never denied Atlantic salmon farms in areas with indigenous Atlantic stocks, including your stomping grounds, are not a serious issue to wild Atlantics, mainly through the loss of genetic diversity.

The topic is Atlantic's farmed in BC.  Apples and oranges.

[Novabonker]

Nova, you know I'm talking about BC here.  I have never denied Atlantic salmon farms in areas with indigenous Atlantic stocks, including your stomping grounds, are not a serious issue to wild Atlantics, mainly through the loss of genetic diversity.

The topic is Atlantic's farmed in BC.  Apples and oranges.

So you do concede there is a strong effect on fish and shellfish populations there. Now why, logically, doesn't or wouldn't that apply here?  And the farms have no effect here? That doesn't make any sense at all. Apples and apples. Oranges and oranges.

[alwaysfishn]

So you do concede there is a strong effect on fish and shellfish populations there. Now why, logically, doesn't or wouldn't that apply here?  And the farms have no effect here? That doesn't make any sense at all. Apples and apples. Oranges and oranges.

In BC the government has muzzled the scientists and the feedlot industry has intimidated people like Dr Morty. When logic suggests that BC is no different than any other ocean in Norway, Scotland or the East coast of Canada they argue it's apples and oranges. It's called denial, and the motivation is money.

[Dave]

In BC (Canada actually) the government has muzzled the scientists and the feedlot industry has intimidated people like Dr Morty (Dr Marty) When logic suggests that BC is no different than any other ocean in Norway, Scotland or the East coast of Canada they argue it's apples and oranges. It's called denial, and the motivation is money.

fixed it for you   Go back a post or so to read why BC is indeed different than Norway, Scotland or down East.  Surely you didn't forget that biological thingy I mentioned?

[dnibbles]

\When logic suggests that BC is no different than any other ocean in Norway, Scotland or the East coast of Canada they argue it's apples and oranges.

Spoken like a true bank boy. I know you are deathly afraid of Google, but maybe try looking up "ecosystem" and you may shed some light on how the North Sea differs from the Salish Sea.

In BC the government has muzzled the scientists and the feedlot industry has intimidated people like Dr Morty.

And yet when you get the opportunity to interact with government scientists online who are free to speak without "muzzling" and intimidation, you choose to ignore them.

PS- I did a google search to try to find some specific stocks that are dying due to fish farms. Seems like there's a lack of specifics, but lots of generalized bellyaching. Here's the best I could find for you. See what you can make of it
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0060033#pbio-0060033-t001

[Novabonker]

Can't buy that Dave. Poison is poison. I'm not sure poison recognizes the Atlantic from the Pacific. When an area is poisoned, it may never recover.But at least you recognize that the feedlots are putting out some wretched things in the water. You're waking up!

[Fisherbob]

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/letters/salmon-farm-diseases-were-quickly-reported-1.147096

[Novabonker]

Still waiting for Dave to explain why the farms are emitting toxins on the east coast and the toxins are magically not toxic to other species here.

[Dave]

Still waiting for Dave to explain why the farms are emitting toxins on the east coast and the toxins are magically not toxic to other species here.

Read my post.  I spoke about salmon farming in BC, nothing about toxins or poisons, whatever they are... perhaps you mean SLICE?   Please explain what I am to explain.
To repeat, I do believe Atlantic salmon farms have impacted wild Atlantic stocks, mainly through escapees breeding with a meagre wild population.  I also believe we on the west coast are in an enviable position for Atlantic salmon farming because here, that cannot happen. 
For me to add more would be redundant because it's all been said before.

[Novabonker]

Then Dave, tell me why the lobster near the Saddle Island site have disappeared completely. The area in question was there for generations and they always caught there, despite a lot of pressure on the stocks. Then a feedlot was sited and now- NOTHING. Put some logic to that.You feedlot boys are gonna love me soon as I'm going to be off work for a while getting a torn bicep fixed. Lots of time to debunk........

[Fisherbob]

And the plot thickens. This is turning out to be really good entertainment so far.
 http://www.marineharvestcanada.com/news090513.php

[Novabonker]

Just for Dave

http://livingoceanssociety.blogspot.ca/2010/10/sea-lice-treatment-kills-adult-lobsters.html

http://nsapes.ca/10-reasons-why-premier-dexter-should-halt-open-pen-fish-farming

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/may/10/marine-harvest-salmon-farm-scottish-loch

http://responsibleaquaculture.wordpress.com/

[absolon]

Lobsters in trouble?   hmmm...


http://mlcalliance.org/2013/03/06/lobster-landings-in-maine-and-canada-going-up-up-up/


Lobster fishermen in trouble?

"Too much of good thing is plaguing Nova Scotia's lobster fishery. Thousands of pounds of live lobster are sitting in crates floating in the holding bays at Newell Lobster in Yarmouth. Fishermen have been hauling in a record harvest since the winter season began last week, but the large catches are flooding the market and driving down prices. The glut has pushed down the price paid at the wharf. This week it sits at $3 a pound.

Captains said at that price, they can't even pay the bills, but a call for an industry shut down to force prices up drew little support on the wharf on Wednesday. Plant supervisor Stephen Saulnier said both his workers and the market can't handle the catches from the first week of the season. The plant is running 24 hours a day, with workers weighing and grading lobster for export. About 80 per cent of the catch ends up on tables in the Unites States."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/12/05/ns-lobster-price.html

[alwaysfishn]

Lobsters in trouble?   hmmm...


http://mlcalliance.org/2013/03/06/lobster-landings-in-maine-and-canada-going-up-up-up/


Lobster fishermen in trouble?

"Too much of good thing is plaguing Nova Scotia's lobster fishery. Thousands of pounds of live lobster are sitting in crates floating in the holding bays at Newell Lobster in Yarmouth. Fishermen have been hauling in a record harvest since the winter season began last week, but the large catches are flooding the market and driving down prices. The glut has pushed down the price paid at the wharf. This week it sits at $3 a pound.

Captains said at that price, they can't even pay the bills, but a call for an industry shut down to force prices up drew little support on the wharf on Wednesday. Plant supervisor Stephen Saulnier said both his workers and the market can't handle the catches from the first week of the season. The plant is running 24 hours a day, with workers weighing and grading lobster for export. About 80 per cent of the catch ends up on tables in the Unites States."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/12/05/ns-lobster-price.html

See Novabonker......  It's ok for the feedlots to kill the lobsters, cause there are lots of them! 

Hmmm,  seems to be the same philosophy they apply to the wild salmon.