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troutbreath

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2115 on: January 13, 2016, 07:49:02 PM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/sea-lice-not-cause-of-wild-salmon-collapse-researchers-say/article1319582/


"Dr. Marty, who has worked for the fish farming industry in the United States, said the finding means environmentalists' demands that fish farms be moved away from the migratory routes of wild salmon are not justified."
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2116 on: January 13, 2016, 09:07:24 PM »

"How did they get through peer review if they couldn't verify the chain of custody on the farmed fish they bought at the stores?"

Yeah, I can't believe that one either. No mention where those farmed fish came from and how they were handled from capture to analysis.

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"Why didn't they do something that could be repeated or confirmed using another method?"

Didn't need to do it. That would involve needless work on their part.  This isn't about science and due diligence.  If it was then we would know the chain of custody and origin of those farmed fish in the study.  That's for people who actually care about their credentials and professional standing and reputation.  Morton already accomplished her goal after the media took the study and ran with it (i.e. it went viral...lol). 
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2117 on: January 13, 2016, 09:19:32 PM »

From Alex this morning, will this happen?

Dear Salmon Farmers:

Making defamatory statements about me is not helpful. I invite you, once again, to debate me in public. I think ISA virus is in BC, you don't. Let me go to your farms escorted by local First Nations to select the best samples for testing, and distribute the samples among the government labs that have also detected ISAV and Gary Marty - and then lets hold a public round table and decide what the next steps are.

Isn't Alexandra a member on FWR? Why doesn't she set the record straight here on this forum with all of us non-believers? I find it hilarious that she feels like she has some sort of credibility or credentials on this subject - enough to be at a "public round table" to "decide" what needs to be done.  Before she starts participating in a round table discussion on this maybe she might want to address the deficiencies in the latest study she was involved in as she will undoubtedly be grilled severely over them by researchers that know what they are talking about.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2118 on: January 14, 2016, 07:46:13 AM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/sea-lice-not-cause-of-wild-salmon-collapse-researchers-say/article1319582/


"Dr. Marty, who has worked for the fish farming industry in the United States, said the finding means environmentalists' demands that fish farms be moved away from the migratory routes of wild salmon are not justified."

Marty doesn't he work for fish farmers .....hilarious. Yet there's the pro bad practice open pen fish farm groupies and workers giving him credibility. Now that he's exposed they ignore the fact. Epic fail :o 
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2119 on: January 14, 2016, 10:25:20 AM »

Marty doesn't he work for fish farmers .....hilarious. Yet there's the pro bad practice open pen fish farm groupies and workers giving him credibility. Now that he's exposed they ignore the fact. Epic fail :o

Wow.

Confirmation bias wrapped in cognitive dissonance, sprinkled with some assorted rhetological fallacies and fried in BS.

Now there's an epic fail.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2120 on: January 14, 2016, 10:50:32 AM »

Time for you guys to get some more paid Fish Farm PR people on this board.

Funny how they identify themselves as "simple folk" here, instead.

"Fisherbob" and "ClayoquotKid" are losing ground fast.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2121 on: January 14, 2016, 10:59:33 AM »

Wow.

Confirmation bias wrapped in cognitive dissonance, sprinkled with some assorted rhetological fallacies and fried in BS.

Now there's an epic fail.

You already said you work at one of those places, so I understand your frustration. It's a challenge to change careers.
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Fisherbob

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2122 on: January 14, 2016, 11:15:03 AM »

Time for you guys to get some more paid Fish Farm PR people on this board.

Funny how they identify themselves as "simple folk" here, instead.

"Fisherbob" and "ClayoquotKid" are losing ground fast.
When all else fails for the anti-crew, they sling the bottom of the barrel BS. Still no word on when salmon farming in Washington or BC has harmed wild salmon from them. Back to you lol. :)
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2123 on: January 14, 2016, 11:28:05 AM »

You already said you work at one of those places, so I understand your frustration. It's a challenge to change careers.

I'd love to fast-track my retirement plan of running a guide/accommodation operation out of Ukee where I can fish every day and the Mrs. can help with the guests.

Unfortunately I'm stuck here for now trying to explain how the realities of scientific process and evidence gathering prove to be too much of a challenge for aquaculture critics to overcome.

You've got the feels, and the feels are good enough for you - that's fine, just don't expect to be taken seriously in the real world.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2126 on: January 14, 2016, 01:38:14 PM »

I'd love to fast-track my retirement plan of running a guide/accommodation operation out of Ukee where I can fish every day and the Mrs. can help with the guests.

Unfortunately I'm stuck here for now trying to explain how the realities of scientific process and evidence gathering prove to be too much of a challenge for aquaculture critics to overcome.

You've got the feels, and the feels are good enough for you - that's fine, just don't expect to be taken seriously in the real world.

You should be able to guide them over to the net pen for some pay and play. Guess that's not allowed?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2129 on: January 14, 2016, 06:39:15 PM »

Wow Chris.  Looks like double the turn out of regular grocery store protests.  How many this time.  20?

Good question Dave. 
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