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chris gadsden

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2700 on: October 25, 2017, 03:53:30 AM »

More to keep them busy. ::) ;D

In health surveillance, essentially PCR methodology is used to detect virus genetic material. This methodology gives a snapshot of infection status in the population. An important prerequisite for detecting viruses with this methodology is that virus RNA / DNA is present at the time the sample is taken. Infections with short duration will therefore often be challenging to capture. Short duration in this context is either that the fish gets rid of the virus by becoming immune or that the fish dies as a result of the developing disease. In other words, it is a prerequisite that infected fish survives until the sample is taken. The absence of virus-positive wild fish can therefore be caused by wild fish not infected (function of time and susceptibility to infection) that infected wild fish are not caught because the infection is short-lived or wild fish infected,
Thus, in the absence of virus-positive wild fish it becomes too easy to conclude that wild fish is not infected (of farmed fish). Furthermore, it would maintain the monitoring of the same agent based on the expectation that increased infection pressure will reflect in several virus-positive fish of little value. The Veterinary Institute therefore changed its health monitoring plan and has focused on generating new knowledge about wild fish and wildlife interaction, including investigating infectious tissue in freshwater, family surveys to detect infection, mapping the incidence of new agents, etc. The results may Read on the websites of the Norwegian Food Safety Authority, the Veterinary Institute and the Institute of Marine Research.
Complex interaction
As described, there is a major focus on virus diseases in the aquaculture industry and in research and monitoring in wild fish health. Viral diseases, however, are only one of several groups of infectious diseases, and it is important to make sure that there is a total load of infectious diseases in the aquaculture that poses a threat to the wild fish. It is also important to make sure that this influence is unlikely to occur in the form of outbreaks of mass deaths. Wild fish that are impaired by disease will disappear without drama because they are an easy exchange for different predators because they lose the fight for food or because illness interacts with other factors of influence. Probably there is a complex interaction where disease interacts with other factors and affects life history, productivity and reproductive capacity.
It is said that when someone recognizes a problem, someone can do something about it. It has taken decades to come where we are today in terms of knowledge about salmon lice and interaction wild-farming. We must acknowledge that research on the effects of other infectious diseases in fish farming today is hardly the starting point. Thus, it may take many years before we make real progress in this field of research. The major challenges lie in adapting and developing methods for studying wild fish health in general, the complex interaction and the factors that influence this.
Meanwhile, the shortage of knowledge will in itself pose a threat to wild salmonids.

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2701 on: October 25, 2017, 04:17:04 AM »

We are gathering strength, a clip of what Dave missed in Chilliwack and SS in Kamloops but they could be lurking around. We know what Dave looks like but SS hides behind SS, maybe one day he will reveal it himself.  :-\ I am glad when this forum started Rod put a few of us with our names here. I am glad he did so as we can be held accountable to what we say.

https://youtu.be/OjSJFAbGdEk

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2702 on: October 25, 2017, 06:33:18 AM »

Very impressive.  Looks like you washed your truck for the occasion.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2704 on: October 25, 2017, 12:28:30 PM »

Very impressive.  Looks like you washed your truck for the occasion.
Glad you liked it,the video that is, I will be posting more in the days ahead so you are updated. We are having a benefit concert for the those occupying the farms, Don't be like SS always unwilling to hear more about our mission to oust the farms from our oceans. Good music too and our famous t shirts. ;D

One day before the tackle sale.

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2707 on: October 26, 2017, 07:02:59 AM »

Good article Fb.  The last paragraph fit's BC attitude to resource development perfectly.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2709 on: October 26, 2017, 11:05:39 AM »

And now for something completely different....


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-premier-appoints-top-deputy-to-review-integrity-of-fish-farm-testing-lab-1.4373076
Ha ha, yeah, we have seen this type of face saving before.
Poor Horgan ... backed into another time and money waster when there are far more important matters to be concerned about.  Bet he had a few words for his Minister ;)
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2710 on: October 26, 2017, 11:49:04 AM »

Ha ha, yeah, we have seen this type of face saving before.
Poor Horgan ... backed into another time and money waster when there are far more important matters to be concerned about.  Bet he had a few words for his Minister ;)

That s how i Feel about the Cohen report now. Should of spent the money on scientific studies and habitat.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2711 on: October 26, 2017, 12:46:52 PM »

That s how i Feel about the Cohen report now. Should of spent the money on scientific studies and habitat.
Yup, said so at the time.  Just imagine if that 30M had been spent on habitat restoration!  The mind boggles at how many fish that could produce.  The whole Cohen response was a knee jerk reaction from Ottawa, brought on by the media tactics of activists who hoped the salmon farming industry would be shown to be the "cause" of declining salmon stocks.
Many people might not know that some of this Cohen money and, not counting the many lawyers, nearly all the man power, came at the expense of curtailed DFO programs.
Such a waste of energy.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2713 on: October 27, 2017, 09:09:26 AM »

Betcha Miller-Saunders is off Marty's Christmas card list ;)
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2714 on: October 29, 2017, 05:22:20 PM »

Recommendation #14 says:

Beginning immediately and continuing until at least September 30, 2020, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans should ensure that
■ the maximum duration of any licence issued under the Pacific Aquaculture Regulations  for a net-pen salmon farm in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) does not exceed one year;
■ DFO does not issue new licences for netpen salmon farms in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2); and
■ DFO does not permit increases in production at any existing net-pen salmon farm in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2).


Discovery Islands start just north of Campbell River (Cortes, Quadra) - the main migratory route for emerging salmon.

Recommendation 15:
The Department of Fisheries and Oceans should explicitly consider proximity to migrating Fraser River sockeye when siting salmon farms.

Recommendation 19:

On September 30, 2020, the minister of fisheries and oceans should prohibit net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) unless he or she
is satisfied that such farms pose at most a minimal risk of serious harm to the health of migrating Fraser River sockeye salmon. The minister’s decision should summarize the
information relied on and include detailed reasons. The decision should be published on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ website.


If that isn't good enough for you - page 92:

the state of scientific research about sockeye–fish farm interactions is not sufficiently developed to rule out diseases and pathogens on salmon farms as contributing to the decline of Fraser River sockeye and posing future risks.
Fraser River sockeye face some likelihood of harm from disease and pathogens on salmon farms. However, I cannot quantify the likelihood of harm occurring. That requires further study.

Salmon farms along the sockeye migration route in the Discovery Islands have the potential to introduce exotic diseases and to exacerbate endemic diseases which can have a negative impact on Fraser River sockeye.

Disease can cause significant population declines, and, in some situations – for example, if a disease were to wipe out a vulnerable stock of Fraser River sockeye – such effects could be irreversible.
I therefore conclude that the potential harm posed by salmon farms to Fraser River sockeye salmon is serious or irreversible.


You forgot recommendation #3:

The Government of Canada should remove from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ mandate the promotion of salmon farming as an industry and farmed salmon as a product.

So it shows how you cherry picked through the report. It’s what fish farm critics generally do. Sort of missed a lot of findings and recommendations also. Cohen put those dates to allow for more research to be conducted following testimony from individuals like Dr. Korman. There are parts Recommendations #64 and #68 that are already underway. You might want to check them out and ask yourself if farm critics have a firm grasp on this already or whether more work is actually required.  There was Also show note that companies like Marine Harvest already suggested moving their operations from these controversial routes.
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