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chris gadsden

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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 07:12:15 AM »

Thanks Chris. But it may be to late since Morton is no longer a registered biologist. They must not have been told that part of the story. Good to see she is moving south though. :)
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 08:01:23 AM »

Worthwhile read: 

"Farming fish has been practiced for thousands of years, but not in the manner now underway on many temperate coasts worldwide today. Traditionally, fish that eat vegetable matter were used, such as carp or tilapia. For thousands of years Chinese fish farms have cycled waste from vegetable crops through their fish and then used the waste from the fish to fertilize the next vegetable crop. This sustainable, closed loop system created protein. In the late 1970's however, a Norwegain hydro company, Norsk Hydro initiated the first corporate effort to farm salmon.

Salmon are carnivores. No one has successfully farmed a carnivore. A terrestrial equivalent would feed chickens to dogs and eat the dog. The underlying equation in farming carnivores is a net loss in protein, and would not be profitable if full price is paid for the feed. Salmon farming takes two - five pounds of wild fish to produce one pound of farm salmon. This represents a net global protein loss as most of the fish used to make pellets are high quality food fit for human consumption. In 1999, 189,000 tons of Chilean whiting was sold to the make fish farm pellets for $12.9 million, when it could have produced $102.9 million if sold for human consumption.

Salmon farming is not sustainable. It starves one ocean of fish, and pollutes another with the same fish. Its profit margin is so slight it can not afford to deal with its own waste. Its product is of questionable food quality being high in PCBs, low in omega oils and dyed pink. It is favoured politically because it produces salmon without a river, leaving the resource rich watersheds of British Columbia open for exploitation. It is a classic example of destruction of the commons to promote the privately owned."
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2013, 01:36:49 PM »

For future reference.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/opinion/salmon-farmers-association-says-bc-can-have-both-wild-salmon-and-farmed-salmon

Mary Ellen Walling.......   isn't she the mouth piece for the Norwegian feedlots?  She wouldn't twist the truth just to benefit the feedlot shareholders would she?
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2013, 03:35:37 PM »

She wouldn't twist the truth just to benefit the feedlot shareholders would she?
No, she wouldn't do that because she can't.  If these nasty European viruses reported by Morton were actually here and pathogenic there would also be hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of dead farmed Atlantics all over BC's  coastline and in Washington State,... kinda hard to cover that up with the intense scrutiny these farms are under.

 
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2013, 04:13:39 PM »

In most peoples minds voluntary feedlot disease reporting, only providing feedlot salmon samples for testing when you feel like doing so, then telling Dr Marty, Head Fish Pathologist what he can or can't publish about feedlot diseases, does not amount to "intense scrutiny"......
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2013, 06:43:45 PM »

In most peoples minds voluntary feedlot disease reporting, only providing feedlot salmon samples for testing when you feel like doing so, then telling Dr Marty, Head Fish Pathologist what he can or can't publish about feedlot diseases, does not amount to "intense scrutiny"......
Working off what you have been told I see. That is why I no longer donate to mortons cause.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2013, 12:22:18 PM »

I'll simplify it for the farm boys. Justice Cohen- “that salmon farms along the sockeye migration route have the potential to introduce exotic diseases and to exacerbate endemic diseases...” (Chapter 2, p. 22A). “I therefore conclude,” he writes ,“that the potential harm posed to Fraser River sockeye salmon from salmon farms is serious or irreversible” (Ibid.) — a damning finding considering that, in his terminology, “Fraser River sockeye” usually means “all wild salmon”.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2013, 01:09:55 PM »

I'll simplify it for the farm boys. Justice Cohen- “that salmon farms along the sockeye migration route have the potential to introduce exotic diseases and to exacerbate endemic diseases...” (Chapter 2, p. 22A). “I therefore conclude,” he writes ,“that the potential harm posed to Fraser River sockeye salmon from salmon farms is serious or irreversible” (Ibid.) — a damning finding considering that, in his terminology, “Fraser River sockeye” usually means “all wild salmon”.

That's the part of the Cohen report the feedlot boys don't like to talk about.....
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2013, 06:57:33 AM »

That's the part of the Cohen report the feedlot boys don't like to talk about.....

Wonder why?  ::)
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2013, 03:25:13 PM »

Wonder why?  ::)


Cause it proves them wrong......again. It's like Cohen giving them a spanking.
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Re: Aquaculture
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2013, 09:56:43 AM »

Thank you Chris. That article sure puts the "grow them on land" idea to bed. :)
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