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[GENERAL-SHERMAN]

fished from on the way to crossing tonight and noticed the natives netting a few hundred yards upstream of the barrier they've made on the indian side. .... phoned to report them and hung around till just before dark and nobody came....I don't know why I even bother! my friend got flack for walking up from the crossing  the other day....they wouldn't let him by and I can see why now.

[adriaticum]

Good on you.
I've seen this all before. 100s of dead fish left to rot.
Your friend should have tried to walk up on the north side of the river.
Last year a bunch of gear was seized from them.

[fyrslyer]

Typical behaviour, then they wonder why there is confrontations on the river.

[BNF861]

Nothing new, they often set up nets in that spot. DFO has come and dealt with it before but they can't always be there. Best thing I guess is call it in every time you see it, they do keep records everytime something gets reported.

[GENERAL-SHERMAN]

with all the problems they should have come up with a solution by now.....maybe  gravel removal up behind on the way store close to the river on a non pink year so the river blows through reverting back to the old route and bypassing the reserve altogether... I dunno just brainstorming here!

[adriaticum]

with all the problems they should have come up with a solution by now.....maybe  gravel removal up behind on the way store close to the river on a non pink year so the river blows through reverting back to the old route and bypassing the reserve altogether... I dunno just brainstorming here!

I don't think that will happen. They just diverted the river so the main arm goes through the native land a couple of years ago. It used to only be a side channel

[chris gadsden]

FYI

Chris

UFV SFAC and Sox WG Group Members,

As noted on page 152 of the Salmon IFMP we have received a request from
a number of First Nation Communities in the Chilliwack area to access a
number of sockeye for FSC purposes from the Chilliwack River.  As you
know in 2012 the department authorized First Nation opportunities on the
Chilliwack River using a variety of gears in a number of locations.
Details of the 2013 request are still being established.  However, we
would liike you to be aware that we are are considering this proposal
and wanted to inform you that discussions are ongoing and there could
potentially be First Nations access to the Chilliwack/Vedder system.

The mid point of the pre-season forecast for Chilliwack sockeye is 57K,
the in-season test fisheries indicate that the run is tracking somewhat
below this level. Chilliwack sockeye are an early timed component of the
Early Summer run aggregate and generally peak in mid-July in the lower
Fraser River. Fishing opportunities would be in late July / early to
mid-August.
The department  has been receptive to First Nations to target more
abundant stocks in terminal areas to alleviate FSC fishing pressure on
the Fraser Mainstem and feel the Chilliwack could provide this
opportunity.  Once the department receives a more detailed proposal from
the participating First Nation communities and the proposal is assessed
to be consistent with the direction of well-managed terminal fishing
opportunities, we will inform the SFAC of if there is a decision to
allow this fishery.

That being said, I would like to reiterate, the department recognizes
the importance of the Chilliwack/Vedder River to the recreational
community and we will be considering this fishery when making decisions.
If you have any questions you can contact myself or Debra Sneddon.

Thank you.


Sheldon Evers
Resource Manager, LFA
Phone: 604-666-8049

[hardlip]

Waisting your time, nobody gives a cupcakes unfortunately

[adriaticum]

Thanks Chris,
Looks like they are allowed to net them.

[Rodney]

Thanks Chris,
Looks like they are allowed to net them.

No there are not, it's simply a proposal that is being discussed right now. There isn't an official opening currently.

[chris gadsden]

UFV SFAC and Sox WG Group Members,

Further to my email on July 25th, the Department has received a more detailed proposal and has advised the First Nations that their limited fishery can proceed. The details are as follows:

Timing

-  July 30 thru August 1 or until the harvest target is reached

Area

- in the waters of the Chilliwack River above the Chilliwack Hatchery

- in the waters of Chilliwack Lake

Gear

- dip net

- limited number of gill net, both set and drift

Harvest Target

- 1,000 sockeye

Given the size, location and timing of this fishery we don't anticipate any conflict with the recreational users of the Chilliwack system.

Sheldon Evers

Resource Manager, LFA

[buck]

  What a joke. DFO has lost all credibility and continues to amaze me with their ridiculous decision to allow this fishery. Last year the escapement had to be 100k before they were allowed to fish. This year the goal post have been lowered considerably to 40-50k. So why the big change? It's only a matter of time before you will see set and drift nets in the lower Vedder. I really like the part about using dip nets. Who's monitoring their catch?
I was fishing beside a native fellow the other day and he killed 4 springs and two sockeye. Treble hooks and lead were the lure of choice. As GS said it's a waste of time reporting them as nothing ever happens.

[BigFisher]

Buck, This morning I was at the same place you seen that native fellow. There Is now a net suspended across the frog water, from the dike to the log on the other side. I didn't stay more then 20 minutes, and in that time I did not see one sockeye rise.

[mdc8427]

vigilante net group?

[Sandman]

  What a joke. DFO has lost all credibility and continues to amaze me with their ridiculous decision to allow this fishery. Last year the escapement had to be 100k before they were allowed to fish. This year the goal post have been lowered considerably to 40-50k. So why the big change? It's only a matter of time before you will see set and drift nets in the lower Vedder. I really like the part about using dip nets. Who's monitoring their catch?
I was fishing beside a native fellow the other day and he killed 4 springs and two sockeye. Treble hooks and lead were the lure of choice. As GS said it's a waste of time reporting them as nothing ever happens.

Buck,

One thousand out of a projected 50k is not out of line.  From the additional comments you have made I suspect you would not be happy with any decision that allowed a FN fishery.  The guy snagging fish has nothing to do with this decision to allow a legit fishery as he is clearly operating in his own.  Your condemnation of all FN due to the actions of guys like that is as ridiculous as someone suggesting there should be no recreational fishery or that all recreational anglers are poachers because they saw a group if European guys flossing and bonking sockeye on the Vedder.  The guys you see fishing rouge are likely members if the Cheam who are very clear about what they consider to be their rights and their land.  This is a band that has opted out of the treaty processes and are more militant in their approach to land claims and aboriginal rights.  They do not recognize the DFO's power to "close the river", they hold that they are a sovereign people and have an inherant right to fish. Do not be so hard on DFO guys either as they have tangled with these guys before and did not fare well in the courts.