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[Bently]

When are you going to remember what the thread has for a title, it's not about natives fishing with nets, it's called "bottom bouncing what's the big deal".

 We all know how the nets on the river effect the runs so quit trying to use that as a crutch for your lame excuse as an angler that keeps on fishing using a method that clearly has caught too many sockeye. Your not fooling anyone, well except for the pee brains that are actually so dedicated to bottom bouncing and have the same mentality that you have that they are actually agreeing with you.

Takes all kinds to make a world I guess, but as far as flossers with no regard for what they do ??, then you fit the bill pard, sorry but you have readily admitted it all over this thread.

Again, incase you missed it the first time, this is a "Recreational" Fishing Forum, try and keep it to that will ya.

[Rodney]

FYI, TNAngler didn't start the thread. This was split from another thread to prevent that topic to be derailed.

[Bently]

^^ Sorry, modified, his was the first post so..........

[TNAngler]

^^ Sorry, modified, his was the first post so..........

As stated, I didn't start the thread.  And if you had read all my posts, I stated that Rodney moved it here and named it.  I posted first in a thread about how the fishing was to let the guy asking that there were some chinook around, more sockeye than I had seen in previous years, until the nets went in and then they were gone, along with the chinook.

You throw around all kinds of accusations and crap.  You have been real good at slinging the crap.  And yet you haven't refuted most of my points.  There's no sense arguing with you because your arguing is no better than my 6 year old calling someone a poopoo head.  Although some day I hope I am able to teach her how to use logic and facts.

And yes, this is a recreational board.  And if things don't change, THERE WILL BE NO RECREATIONAL FISHING FOR SALMON!  So if you are going to say the nets shouldn't be discussed here, well, I guess it takes all kinds.  If you want to believe my catch and gentle release of 50 sockeye all year is a cause for how you have acted and continue to act, meh, it is your call.  Contrary to popular belief, I don't want more people catching sockeye.  I would have preferred to catch all Chinoook, nothing else.  Based on the number of sockeye around on the Wednesday we went and got checked by the DFO, they thought there would be a sockeye opening for recreation soon.  Now all of a sudden, the fish can't be found.  I'm sure that is all because of bottom bouncers.

[Bently]

^^^  Blah blah blah.

 Even the sites owner has regarded your fishing method as a poor choice for what species you were after {from what I gather, that being chinnook}, why can't you see that ??

You say you got only 2 chinnok but a good 50 sockeye, well from what I understand, a few guys have had much better success rates catching chinnook while bar fishing in less than a week than you have flossing your brains out for 10 days or whatever.

Sometimes you have to do what is proper in regards to what is asked by the people who write the rules {in this case, using selective fishing methods}, whether it's the most fun way to fish for you or not, and just think, if your such a skillful angler you probably would have landed a bunch of nice chinnook while all the other bar rods you said you saw, caught squat.

 Bar fishing is a great way to spend the day, and there's nothing more exciting than hearing that ol bell jingle and watch the stampede !! It's a lot of old time fun, one hell of a lot more fun than using a long leader to foul hook everything in it's path.

AND....If you want to talk nets I suggest you start another thread, as this is about BB'ing, you know, to stay on track so to speak.

p.s. Maybe try taking all this as constructive criticism instead of pokes and jabs, I'm thinking that may be hard to swallow for ya but i guess there's a slim chance and if i offended you personally then you have my apologizes. Your still a flosser though........

[Rodney]

Here you go. Don't say that I didn't warn you.

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153070&ID=recreational

FN0735-RECREATIONAL - Salmon- Region 2 - Fraser River - Closed time for all Salmon fishing

Effective one hour after sunset on Thursday August 15, 2013 until further
notice, fishing for any salmon species is not permitted on the Fraser River
from the downstream edge of the CPR bridge at Mission, BC to the downstream
edge of the Alexandra Bridge.

Current run size estimates of Fraser River Summer Run sockeye salmon combined
with record water temperatures in the Fraser River have resulted in no
allowable harvest.  The Department's priorities are to ensure that there is
sufficient sockeye returning to the spawning grounds.  The Department is
continuing to manage fisheries to minimize sockeye impacts and provide priority
access to First Nations' fishing for food, social and ceremonial purposes.

Anglers fishing for chinook salmon in areas that remain open to salmon fishing
are required to take every measure possible to ensure that their fishing
activities are not impacting sockeye salmon.  The Department is continuing to
monitor the Fraser River to ensure compliance.

Recreational fishing opportunities for trout, steelhead and sturgeon and other
non-salmon species in this area remain open.  In addition, recreational fishing
opportunities on the Fraser River for pink and chum salmon are anticipated.

This reflects a change to the BC Freshwater Salmon Supplement.  The on-line
version of this guide will be updated within 24 hours of this notice, please
browse:

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/index-eng.html

Variation Order No. 2013-371

Notes:

Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia. 

Anglers are requested to release any hatchery marked sockeye.  These fish are
hatchery raised sockeye and part of a recovery program designed to increase the
numbers of Cultus Lake sockeye.

The term "hatchery marked" means a fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.

Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and
coho salmon.  Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment.  Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.

Rockfish Conservation Areas that are currently in effect and are closed to all
fin fishing.  Descriptions of these closures, and other recreational fishing
information, can be found on the Internet at:

www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/recfish

Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation?  If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.

For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Contact DFO Lower Fraser at (604)666-8266

[joshhowat]

I go away and come back and it's still going strong. 

Bring out the popcorn!!

[Tex]

Anglers fishing for chinook salmon in areas that remain open to salmon fishing
are required to take every measure possible to ensure that their fishing
activities are not impacting sockeye salmon.  The Department is continuing to
monitor the Fraser River to ensure compliance.

^^^So glad you bolded this, Rod, especially the "every possible measure" part.

In layman's terms, they are saying this: DO NOT BOTTOM BOUNCE.

[Rodney]

It is unlikely that we will see total salmon fishing closures in additional areas along the Fraser River. Fisheries and Oceans Canada has chosen to close this stretch of river to salmon fishing because it has the largest occurrence of sockeye salmon interception by recreational fishermen. If people choose not to fish selectively, this is just easier to have a blanket closure to achieve 100% compliance.

But you know... Let's blame the natives, it's all their fault.

For the tidal portion of the Fraser River, we can still cast spoons for pink salmon without intercepting any sockeye salmon. This fishery is also known to have very high compliance rate.

[Bently]

Rodney, what's your thoughts on how long that stretch will remain closed, couple weeks, a month ??

Just got the boat all ready for this weekend as I was gonna take the missus up for a bar fish but guess that plan is cancelled now. Like you said, there's still an awesome pink fishery on the way with the odd one here and there being caught already. Still lots of fun to be had {on the Tidal Fraser}, especially with the light tackle gear.

Lets just hope there's not too many meat heads with the mentality  of "but officer, I was targeting Steelhead and trout with my 10 foot leader and wool".......or spin-n-glow and secret combo, lol

[Rodney]

I have no idea when it will reopen. My guess is a few weeks from now in September.

[zabber]

Except I didn't actually take the chocolate bar.  I went when you couldn't buy chocolate bars and I picked one up, looked at it, put it back on the shelf, and walked out with nothing.

More like: you tore open the wrapper, decided you didn't want it, rewrapped it, and put it back on the shelf.

In this case, the fish you released have a low probability of spawning; more likely is pre-spawn mortality, especially @ current water temps. Using the chocolate bar analogy again: someone might buy it and not bat an eyelash, but more likely it will have to be chalked up as a loss.

Anyways, the POINT was that you're trying to rationalize away your unlawful behavior. That is not to say that all laws are just, and I am not judging you; I am simply trying to alleviate your confusion as to what the deal with bb'ing (during a closure) is.


Now, as far as mortality goes: total sockeye mortality attributable to flossers C&R'ing is NOT zero. Then you've got the poachers. Clearly DFO recognizes the harm that you and your crew are doing to the sox is not insignificant. So should you.

[salmonlover]

[BNF861]

Bottom bouncing, what's the big deal

The big deal is that when the river is open to chinook but closed to sockeye, it intercepts too many of the wrong species.

Now the non-tidal section is CLOSED to everyone.

If fisheries would just ban the flossing of fish, or if anglers chose not to fish this way while sockeye are closed, the river would still be OPEN to people who use methods to target chinook and avoid sockeye bycatch.

Unfortunately everyone loses an opertunity because of a few.

[Rodney]

7-Eleven called. The store is closed so all chocolate bars can remain wrapped and those which were unwrapped and rewrapped can now be returned to the shelves and remain there for the rest of 2013.