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[Novabonker]

I don't agree with any business venture pulling money out of the taxpayers wallet- especially foreign owned and operated ones. But, just to expose the utter stupidity of your side- Can you tell me how much money is given to commercial fishermen if there's a collapse? What's that? Nothing you say? But we open the vault for the feedlots. Here you go, read through this list and when you're done, I'll dig up another pile for you."Shake your jowls" at this..... And, sweeping aside the "relevant" dig, I can't read it for you if you're too lazy to do so.
Have a nice day!

http://www.grants-loans.org/reports.php?WhereInd=AgrFor&extra_title=Agriculture,+Forestry,+Fishing+and+Hunting

https://pangea.stanford.edu/research/Oceans/GES205/fish.pdf

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/canadian-taxpayers-bail-norwegian-fish-farms-diseased-fish/

http://wcel.org/resources/environmental-law-alert/will-your-tax-dollars-subsidize-bc-unsustainable-fish-farms

http://www.thewesternstar.com/News/Local/2014-03-24/article-3660449/Diamond-agrees-on-call-for-end-to-public-bailouts-for-salmon-feedlots/1

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/109644-ns-invests-25-million-in-fish-farm

http://thetyee.ca/Election/Hotbuttons/2005/05/06/FishFarming/

[Fisherbob]

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/Y4647E/y4647e06.htm

[Novabonker]

I admit I scanned it Bawb, but I didn't see squat about covering foreign companies losses - which is what this thread is about.

[Fisherbob]

"Federally-funded programmes providing income support and re-training have allowed many rural people to stay in their home communities, and encouraged them to believe that the cod fishery would come back, but in the summer of 1998 the final version was announced. Fishing licences and fish plants are to be drastically reduced in number, and inducements are offered "

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/fishery.html

[absolon]

I don't agree with any business venture pulling money out of the taxpayers wallet- especially foreign owned and operated ones. But, just to expose the utter stupidity of your side- Can you tell me how much money is given to commercial fishermen if there's a collapse? What's that? Nothing you say? But we open the vault for the feedlots. Here you go, read through this list and when you're done, I'll dig up another pile for you."Shake your jowls" at this..... And, sweeping aside the "relevant" dig, I can't read it for you if you're too lazy to do so.
Have a nice day!

http://www.grants-loans.org/reports.php?WhereInd=AgrFor&extra_title=Agriculture,+Forestry,+Fishing+and+Hunting

https://pangea.stanford.edu/research/Oceans/GES205/fish.pdf

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/canadian-taxpayers-bail-norwegian-fish-farms-diseased-fish/

http://wcel.org/resources/environmental-law-alert/will-your-tax-dollars-subsidize-bc-unsustainable-fish-farms

http://www.thewesternstar.com/News/Local/2014-03-24/article-3660449/Diamond-agrees-on-call-for-end-to-public-bailouts-for-salmon-feedlots/1

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/109644-ns-invests-25-million-in-fish-farm

http://thetyee.ca/Election/Hotbuttons/2005/05/06/FishFarming/

I don't think you could read them for me; it's pretty apparent you didn't even read them for yourself. Most deal with the CFIA compensation for destruction order program and the rest don't even address fish farms directly. None deal with the guaranteed income program for fish farms that you insist exists. It is pretty apparent though that mink farmers in the Maritimes clean up on government grants.

It's also pretty apparent from your response to the test question that the bigger picture is beyond your grasp; that you don't understand the rationalization for the subsidized crop insurance that land farmers receive.

And it's also clear, as Bob has just demonstrated, that you don't have a clue about subsidies to the wild fishery. I would think that with your background you would clearly understand the extent that, for instance, Unemployment Insurance as applied in the Maritimes was a direct subsidy to both fishing and fish processing by providing a subsidized income to workers for ten months of the year so they would be available to work for the two months their services were required by fishing businesses.

It's nice that you have all these opinions, but you would probably find they were taken a little more seriously if you could provide some sort of support for what you claim to be facts.

[Novabonker]

If you have to subsidize, take care of Canadian firms first and only.

First link - Grants given to feedlots

2 - ooops, but it does provide insight

3 - Mainstream Canada reported an EBIT pre fair value and non-recurring items of NOK 43 million, an improvement from a loss of NOK 26 million the previous year, even though volumes sold declined from 5,600 tons to 4,400 tons. EBIT per kilo was 9.6 NOK. Good prices in the North American market and the IHN outbreak last year are the main factors behind the improved result.(2) (bailout, subsidy same crap)

4 - Are you unable to comprehend that? Pretty plain in the English dept.

5- See above^

6 - Only a 25,000,000 gift? Cheapskates!

7 - "The federal and B.C.governments subsidize the fish farming industry by underwriting scientific research, indemnifying fish farms against losses from disease, and leasing public sites to fish farms for just a few thousand dollars. Are these subsidies appropriate? Would your government permit new open-cage salmon farms?"

I'm led to the conclusion you are unusually thick, have comprehension issues or prefer to ignore facts when they don't suit your agenda.

Try again sonny. I'm talking about CANADIAN taxpayer money -GIVEN TO OFFSHORE COMPANIES.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-hnVeq9FTg

[Fisherbob]

" In the Atlantic region the major income supplement is provided by unemployment insurance, to which self-employed fishermen (owner-operators) as well as crew have been entitled."
http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/en/m/article/fisheries/

No offshore investment in the Canadian wild fisheries? Sure would be interesting to see the link you get that idea from NB. .)

Dont twitch too hard.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_ownership_of_companies_of_Canada

[Novabonker]

Thanks for backing up my points Bawb - not only do we back foreign firms if they fail, we also back their seasonal employees with EI.

[Fisherbob]

I don't agree with any business venture pulling money out of the taxpayers wallet- especially foreign owned and operated ones. But, just to expose the utter stupidity of your side- Can you tell me how much money is given to commercial fishermen if there's a collapse? What's that? Nothing you say? But we open the vault for the feedlots.

Happy to help you out NB.
" In the Atlantic region the major income supplement is provided by unemployment insurance, to which self-employed fishermen (owner-operators) as well as crew have been entitled."
http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/en/m/article/fisheries/

[shuswapsteve]

I don't think you could read them for me; it's pretty apparent you didn't even read them for yourself. Most deal with the CFIA compensation for destruction order program and the rest don't even address fish farms directly. None deal with the guaranteed income program for fish farms that you insist exists. It is pretty apparent though that mink farmers in the Maritimes clean up on government grants.

It's also pretty apparent from your response to the test question that the bigger picture is beyond your grasp; that you don't understand the rationalization for the subsidized crop insurance that land farmers receive.

And it's also clear, as Bob has just demonstrated, that you don't have a clue about subsidies to the wild fishery. I would think that with your background you would clearly understand the extent that, for instance, Unemployment Insurance as applied in the Maritimes was a direct subsidy to both fishing and fish processing by providing a subsidized income to workers for ten months of the year so they would be available to work for the two months their services were required by fishing businesses.

It's nice that you have all these opinions, but you would probably find they were taken a little more seriously if you could provide some sort of support for what you claim to be facts.

Looks like Novabonker got owned again. Yeah he kind of forgot about that little EI thing....lol. He never read the other article he posted before (the one with old data). Keep trying Bonker.

[Novabonker]

Shoeswap! That explains the sniffing I feel behind me!

[absolon]

Shoeswap! That explains the sniffing I feel behind me!

That's not Steve. That's your dog reminding you it's date night!

[Easywater]

That's not Steve. That's your dog reminding you it's date night!

Decided not to comment...

[Fisherbob]

Shoeswap! That explains the sniffing I feel behind me!

Sheesh. That all ya got big boy?

[Novabonker]

That's not Steve. That's your dog reminding you it's date night!

Sorry, but that's definitely Steve. Nobody else sniffs "parts" like that.

Again, blur the lines.Convenient to skip past the foreign ownership thingy isn't it? Like it or not, we're supporting foreign owned companies failures with Canadian tax dollars. Do you buffoons like paying taxes so Norwegian companies that foul our waters can stay afloat?