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Fisherbob

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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2014, 02:58:06 PM »

"we have witnessed the devastating impact fish farms have on wild"
    And where did this happen Chris?
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 03:21:12 PM »

Looking forward to your reply Chris....  You should consider writing for Almo with a topic title like that ;)
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 04:37:56 PM »

Looking forward to your reply Chris....  You should consider writing for Almo with a topic title like that ;)
Thanks, your friend above never pays any attention to what we try to explain to him, the tide is ebbing on the FF's.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2014, 05:15:20 PM »

Thanks, your friend above never pays any attention to what we try to explain to him, the tide is ebbing on the FF's.
That is the reply I expected. :) Nice dodge Chris. At least try to back up what you are trying to sell. :)
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chris gadsden

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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2014, 05:55:18 PM »

That is the reply I expected. :) Nice dodge Chris. At least try to back up what you are trying to sell. :)
We have been on so many posts since this topic first appeared, well before you entered the scene. ;D ;D

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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2014, 08:00:42 PM »

We have been on so many posts since this topic first appeared, well before you entered the scene. ;D ;D
But you have always avoided answering direct questions...
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2014, 08:14:19 PM »

DFO heads with broom sweeping Cohen recommendation paper under the rug.

Something smells " fishy ".

Get Batman & Robin ,Perry Mason , Robo Cop & Captain Kirk on this one.
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chris gadsden

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2014, 09:12:27 PM »

But you have always avoided answering direct questions...
No matter what we say it is picked apart by the PAPG so we just put our side of the story down and it is looking good for us every passing day. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2014, 09:16:06 PM »


From Alex.

Here is what we have been waiting for! This is very significant. An alliance of 80 First Nations that are not going to let salmon farms destroy wild salmon salmon! Finally a powerful body putting wild salmon first. Let the Union of BC Indian Chiefs know that we stand with them: http://www.ubcic.bc.ca/contact/#axzz32dyixtFB

 "We have witnessed the devastating impact fish farms have on wild salmon and this is simply unacceptable.” Chief Chamberlin continued, “The First Nations Wild Salmon Alliance, a coalition of approximately 80 First Nations have been turning their collective attention and expertise to the protection of wild salmon and we call on the Harper Government to immediately respond and fully implement Cohen’s recommendations. DFO does not have the best interests of the health and sustainability of wild salmon as a priority in their policies. This is clear as they continue to disregard Cohen’s recommendations and continue on with the promotion and expansion of the aquaculture industry.”

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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 11:29:38 PM »

So just how is salmon farming killing wild salmon? That should not be such a hard question Chris.
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2014, 07:33:24 AM »

The question can be answered by reading any number of studies conducted around the world that show the impact that salmon farming in open net pens has had on wild salmon, but I suspect you know that.  Your choice to ignore the main point of the article Chris posted and harp on that question is clearly meant to skirt the really question. why hasn't the Harper Government acted on any of the recommendation if this commission on which it spent tens of millions of tax payer dollars?  This was just one expensive PR maneuver to present the illusion that this government has any desire to act in good faith on its mandate to protect of national resources and national heritage.  The aquaculture industry is in direct competition with wild salmon (the fewer wild salmon in the oceans, the higher their price will be and greater demand there will be for farm fish).  This puts DFO's responsibility to manage wild salmon AND to promote and expand aquaculture in A direct conflict of interest.  So why don't you ask THAT question Bob? Because that question cannot be answered by a simple search of science journals, can only be answered by a Prime Minister who acts every bit  the radical nut  we knew him to be.
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2014, 08:06:35 AM »

Well then it should be easy to post one of those studies and awnser my question for you and Chris insted of dodging it. This is one of the reasons I no longer support the myths of Doc Morton nor am I one of her Loyal Listeners.  Looks to me like it is Mortons tide that is going out, not salmon farming. :)
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2014/05/12/activist-alexandra-morton-lies-on-national-tv/
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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 09:26:31 AM »

The question can be answered by reading any number of studies conducted around the world that show the impact that salmon farming in open net pens has had on wild salmon, but I suspect you know that.  Your choice to ignore the main point of the article Chris posted and harp on that question is clearly meant to skirt the really question. why hasn't the Harper Government acted on any of the recommendation if this commission on which it spent tens of millions of tax payer dollars?  This was just one expensive PR maneuver to present the illusion that this government has any desire to act in good faith on its mandate to protect of national resources and national heritage.  The aquaculture industry is in direct competition with wild salmon (the fewer wild salmon in the oceans, the higher their price will be and greater demand there will be for farm fish).  This puts DFO's responsibility to manage wild salmon AND to promote and expand aquaculture in A direct conflict of interest.  So why don't you ask THAT question Bob? Because that question cannot be answered by a simple search of science journals, can only be answered by a Prime Minister who acts every bit  the radical nut  we knew him to be.
The Harper government's response to the Cohen report is an entirely different and unrelated subject that everyone who either voted for Harper or didn't vote needs to be asking themselves about, but contrary to those who attempt to conflate the two subjects, it has nothing to do with salmon farms. On the other hand, Bob's question goes directly to the heart of the point raised by the press release . There is an explicit but unsubstantiated assumption in it  that the root cause of the problem Cohen examined is fish farming.

It is a primary rule of logic that conclusions are only as good as the premises on which they are based and Bob is, quite rightfully, asking that the assumption, the premise on which the conclusion is based, be substantiated in order to validate the conclusion. Studies of situations in other parts of the world are not sufficient to generalize specific conclusions about our specific situation; studies of our specific situation are required to accomplish that and it is quite reasonable to ask that they be produced in order to support the claims made about our specific situation.

If Bob made an error, it was in expecting an answer. It is far easier to spend your efforts crying wolf than it is to actually demonstrate there is a wolf about; however, the downside to this approach was demonstrated by Aesop many centuries ago and is well illustrated by the disinterest in the subject that is the consequence of the repeated cries in this forum of "wolf".



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Re: The Tide Begins To Turn
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 01:00:45 PM »

Not "wolf " but "dirty fish" that wouldn't survive in the net pen without a truckload of chemicals. Get your facts straight before you bawb a post.
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another SLICE of dirty fish perhaps?