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[chris gadsden]

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/pristine-coast-doc-reveals-surprising-untold-history-salmon-farms/

[shuswapsteve]

Rafe is another one that hasn't really read the Cohen Final Report.  Where does Justice Cohen concludes that sea lice is destroying our salmon?  What and where are these imported fatal diseases?  What did Cohen conclude about sea lice as vector of diseases?  Cohen certainly didn't conclude that sea lice was directly implicated in the decline of Fraser Sockeye.  Not a coincidence that Rafe never refers to Justice's Cohen Final Report and it's findings.

-No mention of what the returns of Fraser Sockeye have been like since 2009 which initiated the Cohen Inquiry.
-No mention of the large abundance of Pink Salmon in the North Pacific.
-No mention of the other factors that could be impacting Fraser Sockeye production (other than a very brief mention of climate change).
-No mention of the extensive work done by Scott Hinch and his team on salmon physiology and migratory conditions (i.e. water temperatures).
-No mention of studies done by Randell Peterman which showed a decrease in productivity in non-Fraser Sockeye stocks in the US and Canada.
-No mention of what the expert testimony stated about the presence or absence of ISAv or ISA in our waters.

Instead, Rafe turns to a film maker to tell more stories instead of actually reading what the current findings are.

Lately it seems that anti fish farm activists like Rafe Mair and Alexandra Morton are doing worse than the wild salmon the profess to be protecting.  Might have to hold rallies to save these prominent activists from extinction.

[Dave]

There you go again Steve, using facts to debunk the garbage 

[chris gadsden]

As we all know Cohen accomplished very little, except it spend a lot of our taxpayers money

[Dave]

And, as we all know this Cohen report was started by people like Almo, Staniford and other groupies of the anti fish farming community who lobbied Ottawa for an answer to why there were fewer salmon to kill ..  Sure, Cohen gently touched on other issues like over fishing, climate change, pollution, lack of enforcement ... and so far no one is listening, but this whole financial fiasco was started by protesters, led by one female American born activist.  It failed, to the tune of 26M, and as you state Chris, that was our money.

Cohen found no link to declining wild salmon from fish farming. Period.  Get over it.

God, what that money could have done if spent wisely
 
Just an example .. how does Almo explain the near record numbers of pinks this past summer in the Broughton, or the huge return of Fraser pinks last year, and of course this years Fraser sockeye, an estimated 99% that migrated right past the evil net pens in the Discovery Island area?
Ask her some serious questions next time you meet with her; ask her for her data on contaminants from the Polley Mine area- remember she rode into Likely as a savior of wild salmon and made a big deal of reporting such; ask her for her data on all the viral samples she has taken, some I believe were supplied by you.
Then ask her for a reporting of how all donated money to her cause has been spent.

I suspect I will be waiting a while ...

[Dogbreath]

OK I guess I'm the only person here who's seen the film-it was playing @ the Vancouver International Film Festival and I was lucky to see a screening with the film maker in attendance he's a Guy I've seen fishing locally.

I have to take exception with the angle of the article as linked-the film doesn't tell anyone who knows anything about the Salmon aquaculture situation in BC  anything they haven't heard before and most of it has been hashed over on fora like this one-and many other places on the net.

The issue I have with the film is that it tries too hard to tell us everything it's repetitive dull and many points are unclear-a firm handed editing job could produced a much more succinct effort; a person making something like this has to ask themself 'What is it I'm trying to say'? and 'Am I saying it right'?

So the film goes on & on & on & on and some of the shots-like a stream full of Chum carcasses juxtaposed with a filthy net pen-are effective but IMO not honest at all.

In addition the conclusions drawn re:world wide Sea Lice infestations are thin evidence wise and hurt the overall message-this is where neutral experienced input could have helped the overall effort.

It's not a happy experience to see that documentary and given how people's attention spans have shortened under the influence of the internets it's a tough view.

(takes a deep breath.....)

That being said I'd like to state unequivocally that I'm opposed to sea based net pens with every fibre of my being-I have marched I have demonstrated I have contributed financially for decades and will continue to do so until my last breath is drawn.

Those who defend such wanton environmental destruction (we know who they are) are beneath contempt.

[chris gadsden]

And, as we all know this Cohen report was started by people like Almo, Staniford and other groupies of the anti fish farming community who lobbied Ottawa for an answer to why there were fewer salmon to kill ..  Sure, Cohen gently touched on other issues like over fishing, climate change, pollution, lack of enforcement ... and so far no one is listening, but this whole financial fiasco was started by protesters, led by one female American born activist.  It failed, to the tune of 26M, and as you state Chris, that was our money.

Cohen found no link to declining wild salmon from fish farming. Period.  Get over it.

God, what that money could have done if spent wisely
 
Just an example .. how does Almo explain the near record numbers of pinks this past summer in the Broughton, or the huge return of Fraser pinks last year, and of course this years Fraser sockeye, an estimated 99% that migrated right past the evil net pens in the Discovery Island area?
Ask her some serious questions next time you meet with her; ask her for her data on contaminants from the Polley Mine area- remember she rode into Likely as a savior of wild salmon and made a big deal of reporting such; ask her for her data on all the viral samples she has taken, some I believe were supplied by you.
Then ask her for a reporting of how all donated money to her cause has been spent.

I suspect I will be waiting a while ...

I will send you her e mail and see if you will ask her personally the questions you ask, the best way to go.

[Dave]

You posted it, you reply

[chris gadsden]

You posted it, you reply

Beak, I know you would say that, are you afraid to talk to her directly, maybe you can change her mind as you and the PAP boys seem to know all the correct facts.

[chris gadsden]

Oh and it sort of line the pipeline and shipping of oil by tankers "they say "everything will be fine" but here you go.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fuel-laden-container-ship-adrift-off-coast-of-haida-gwaii-1.2803590

[aquapaloosa]

Oh and it sort of line the pipeline and shipping of oil by tankers "they say "everything will be fine" but here you go.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fuel-laden-container-ship-adrift-off-coast-of-haida-gwaii-1.2803590

Typically the "anti everything" types are quick to respond far before the actual facts surface.  Ie: its not a tanker!

From the comments:
The fact is its not a Tanker, if it was it would have been more than 200 miles off shore. And if it was a tanker loaded with product in the future from Kitimat it would have a tug escort and would be double hulled

Lets hope the Foss tug gets there soon and helps the ship to a safe place. its a very small container ship and talking about the small amount of fuel over the lives of the crew is just not right."

Not that I am pro oil.  I am pro truth. 

It is entertaining to watch the campaigners knee jerk reaction to this.  Its embarrassing.

[shuswapsteve]

As we all know Cohen accomplished very little, except it spend a lot of our taxpayers money

Well...it accomplished little for anti-fish farm activists that were looking for a stinging indictment of the BC fish farm industry.  That's why folks like Rafe Mair and Alexandra Morton always misinterpret the Cohen Final Report or just plainly ignore the findings.  There really is no "he said/she said" here or "maybe he meant this"....it's right there in the report.  Taxpayers paid 26 million for it so they should read it.  Cohen recognized that fish farms can pose a risk to wild salmon but didn't conclude that fish farms are the direct cause for Fraser Sockeye declines. In fact, there are many factors that were implicated in the final report. Rafe would rather not refer to Cohen because he knows that his opinion runs contrary to what we learned from the inquiry.  However, it was the antis like Rafe that demanded the inquiry in the first place.  This latest propaganda film as well as the one last year (Salmonconfidential) are just attempts to rewrite the Cohen Final Report because it wasn't the result people like Rafe was hoping for.  This isn't about science and facts anymore - it's about feelings and emotions.

Like Dave, I am still waiting for Ms Morton's transparency on things like her Quesnel Lake samples and viral samples. Apparently, she was asking for 10K to get her water samples from Quesnel Lake analysed.  Where is the accountability? She came into Likely like some saviour claiming to be supporting local First Nations, but really it looks more like a photo-op that is commonly associated with politicians.  Apparently, this "blue sheen" was from the tailings breach and it stung like a jelly fish.  Ok...well...if it was so toxic then lets see the results. Did any of those people that were apparently "stung" see medical attention as recommended by Interior Health?  The fact is that we know what it is but Morton is too embarrassed to back track now.

[Dave]

Beak, I know you would say that, are you afraid to talk to her directly, maybe you can change her mind as you and the PAP boys seem to know all the correct facts.

I recall Almo coming on this site, once. She was welcomed warmly and was asked a few tough questions that were not answered and she has not come back.  Why do you think that is Chris?

I have no desire to talk to her but wonder why she relishes the headline seeking media but won't respond to a forum, like this one, that is so divided on this issue. Could she not further her cause by defending her words?

I suggest she is the one afraid.

[chris gadsden]

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2014/09/licenced-to-kill-wild-salmon.html

[chris gadsden]

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/fraser_sockeye_vs_farmed_/2014/09/fewer-salmon-farms-more-wild-salmon.html