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[EZ_Rolling]

Nice - thanks for the heads up Humpy

It's on the internet ...it must be true

wait for the official announcement before going out.

[TNAngler]

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173841&ID=all

Pretty sure that is official right?

[Rodney]

That's correct TNAngler, notice came out an hour ago for the tidal. Non-tidal notice should follow shortly.

[TNAngler]

So is the non tidal date going to change or is there a planned staggered opening?

[Rodney]

Earliest opening date for non-tidal is still the 3rd. The staggered openings are done every year to coincide with the run timings, or what managers believe to be the run timings.

[fic]

Did they just make bottom bouncing illegal?  Discouraged or Quasi-Legal?

"Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged.  The Department requests that selective fishing"

"Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."

[fisherforever]

Did they just make bottom bouncing illegal?  Discouraged or Quasi-Legal?

"Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged.  The Department requests that selective fishing"

"Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."

No, they didn't make flossing illegal but they want "selective methods" used. You should have quoted the whole section. "While fishing for pink, chinook and chum salmon, anglers should avoid using
fishing methods that catch sockeye salmon and fish selectively.
The first principle of selective harvesting is to avoid catching non-targeted
stocks.  This means that anglers should use methods that do not catch sockeye. 
The following fishing methods enable anglers to catch pink, chinook and chum
salmon and rarely intercept sockeye salmon:

Bar Fishing
Trolling Spoons at Creek mouths
Float Fishing
Pulling Plugs
Fly Fishing

We encourage anglers to continue to use these methods to target pink, chinook
and chum while avoiding sockeye. 

Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged.  The Department requests that selective fishing
techniques be used and will continue to closely monitor the situation to ensure
impacts on sockeye are at a minimum.

Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."
Note what is said in the last paragraph, DFO will shut down ALL salmon if they observe their request is not being followed. The only problem I have with them using the term "bottom bouncing", it should read flossing.

[fic]

May be they are setting up to close the bottom bouncing areas once they see enough evidence at Peg Leg, Scale and Gill which is not hard to do.

[DanL]

Note what is said in the last paragraph, DFO will shut down ALL salmon if they observe their request is not being followed.

And I think they’ve done just that in previous years? Or at least had similar warnings regarding non-selective methods. Such a heavy handed approach, but they seem unable and/or unwilling to regulate with a more fine-tuned approach w.r.t gear and methods to both maximize sporting opportunities while reducing detrimental effects.

I know in previous years they have asked fishers to take every measure possible to selectively fish when Chinook are open but sockeye are closed but never specified as to exactly what that means. Anyone on this forum knows they were referring to BB’ing but as far as I know this the first time they have listed ‘acceptable’ vs ‘non-acceptable’ techniques, and specifically called out BB as on the naughty list.

Perhaps someone more in the know can comment on what it would take or if it’s even possible to have the DFO consider management based on methods. If they are going to ask people to not BB but instead bar-fish, float fish, fly fish or whatever, wouldn’t it be reasonable to define those methods so its clear to everyone? Not everyone out there reads these forums or has the expertise to understand why BB is not selective.

The fact that the non tidal Fraser River is under the management of the Provincial Govt does allow for gear restrictions to be made.
This whole business of not being able to restrict fishing techniques to protect non target species such as Sockeye Salmon is horse doo doo.

This exactly. There are already definitions of ‘artificial fly’ and ‘fly fishing’ so it absolutely could be done. If they dont want people to BB, then why not define it, then prohibit it during the times they want to minimize impact on sockeye?

[canso]

May be they are setting up to close the bottom bouncing areas once they see enough evidence at Peg Leg, Scale and Gill which is not hard to do.

They might, but I would expect them to close salmon fishing in the non tidal Fraser.

[Rodney]

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173874&ID=all

[chris gadsden]

I wonder how many will still be TOWing and then spoil it for many, The Leaf Craft will be very upset if, she ply's the waters and see it going on, liable to put the curse of The Toronto Maples Leafs on them.

[robbo1970]

This is going to be my first year bar fishing, my four year old and I have been looking forward to it all year.

We are going to try and avoid places like peg leg, scale, and gill road. I have been told that there's a few more places a little further upstream that we may feel a little more comfortable at. Hopefully this will keep us away from the flossers!

Anyway we are very glad its open, cant wait to see my boys face if we are lucky enough to get into fish, hopefully it will be similar to when he came face to face with his first sturgeon. It kind of a mixture of fear, excitement and disbelief.

Have fun everyone, and for the flossers out there its called fishing, not catching!

[tworivers]

Chris,
Please make sure you leave your Leaf's paper bag hat at home.
It may give some anglers the wrong idea when your patrolling the waters.

[fic]

This is going to be my first year bar fishing, my four year old and I have been looking forward to it all year.

We are going to try and avoid places like peg leg, scale, and gill road. I have been told that there's a few more places a little further upstream that we may feel a little more comfortable at. Hopefully this will keep us away from the flossers!

Anyway we are very glad its open, cant wait to see my boys face if we are lucky enough to get into fish, hopefully it will be similar to when he came face to face with his first sturgeon. It kind of a mixture of fear, excitement and disbelief.

Have fun everyone, and for the flossers out there its called fishing, not catching!

May be everybody should just Bar fish at those bottom bouncing bars and crowd out the bottom bouncers.