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[FlyFishin Magician]

So what you are saying is its immoral, unethical and a ticket to hell for Joe Blow to go kill two fish after driving 300km round trip and pouring hundreds in tackle and licences? Yet somehow it's perfectly normal to allow boats by the hundreds, hauling several thosand fish at time of which many threatened stocks are squished to death? And that goes on every season to benefit a small group of seasonal fishers and MOSTLY the large grocery corporations like Safeway, Loblaw etc.
Why is sponsoring big business seen as perfectly normal to people like you? Well I guess you believe blindly in the establishment and since the Fraser stocks have been run down for many years now many people can't imagine it being any other way.
I don't support flossing, snagging and abusing fish, I don't practise and endorse it but I have no problem if someone put all the hard work to kill their two and go home.
You talk about entitlement, again why are save-on and superstore more entitled to a natural resourse that is a national treasure and we all have the right to defend it, not different than dredging pipelines trough favourite parks and rivers, you'd like to have your opinion heard.
Of course I'm not stupid and realise the netting is here to stay till the bitter end, but it gets me when cocky, oh sorry "passionate" anglers start ripping someone faces of because they killed 10-20 socks every few seasons.
Cheers

No, I was not saying that at all.  Please read my post carefully before implying that I'm a "cocky, or passionate".  I certainly was not ripping someone for killing 10 - 20 sockeye every few seasons.  Nor was I supporting industry and the superstores.  In fact, I have harvested sockeye when it was open (e.g. last year).  What I disagree with is when people potentially floss sockeye during a closure for that species. 

If I've misinterpreted your post, please disregard my comments.

[Flytech]

Question for you tech. Are you describing Doja or yourself? I seem to remember you calling out the Chilliwack slayer, you know the big guy that smashes boulders with his fists. I think there where tickets being sold and it was supposed to be scheduled on PPV! Oh wait a second I got this all wrong. That was the Boxing Day Derby! Sorry about that guys just a little side tracked, carry on!

Ha ha ha. That big muscle man!? I can be a total idiot at times. But no one is perfect.

[Flytech]

Hahahaha - love it when someone condemns one line as hyperbole and then delivers a zinger themselves!

Equating the social ills from alcohol abuse to flossing just takes the cake man.

That was the point.

[Tangles]

By that logic only those that.grow their own Potatoes and raise their own cattle should be able to eat fries with their burger.
Can't have a house unless you own your own forest.

Fishing is a big part of our economy and that economy is the reason most of us are here.

Sure there needs to be changes in how we do things but it is far more than Safeway and Superstore that benefit from this resource.

pretty irrelevant example - potatos are not threatened species and are far from being extinct as opposed to ALL salmon species and steelhead which are all in decline.
Yes, if potatoes get so rare and hard to make than you should definitely start considering alternatives to your burger fries!
"Can't have a house unless you own your own forest."
i had a chuckle on that, you are actually exactly right about this - I don't see my generation able to afford to own, so yes it's just as impossible as owning a forest. Actually for 100k you can buy some forest patch, but not a house LOL

[Rieber]

Our local tackle shops have been taking a beating because of internet shopping and local sockeye gear sales were a great shot of income for them. Sadly for them this fishery is going to come to an end soon. Yes, we still find ways to accept bbing for sockeye and not for other species - well that's going to change over the next few years. This practice of bbing will come to an end. Of course some will never comply.

Hopefully fishermen will transition to other means of catching sockeye and other salmon - hopefully we all do this before all freshwater salmon fishing comes to a close.

We'll see - I have faith that we can change but is it already too late for the salmon.

Bouncing Betties and long leaders don't kill salmon - rogue fishermen do.

[RalphH]

Spear fishing is "fishing", lol

spear fishing, bow fishing, net fishing and jigging (a form of snagging) are all permitted either fresh, tidal or both. It's not a leap to accept flossing for sockeye.
 

[RalphH]

Hahahaha - love it when someone condemns one line as hyperbole and then delivers a zinger themselves!

Equating the social ills from alcohol abuse to flossing just takes the cake man.

That was the point.

on the list of things in the world that require some serious ethical discussion, flossing is very low down on the list IMO. Take the current air war against ISIS - our Prime Minister states one solution to the concurrent Syrian refugee crisis is to continue the campaign, yet it's known as many innocent non-combatants have been killed as ISIS fighters. The Recreational fishing community is wasting a lot of energy on a trivially issue by any broader standard. People need to take a bigger perspective.

[Flytech]

on the list of things in the world that require some serious ethical discussion, flossing is very low down on the list IMO. Take the current air war against ISIS - our Prime Minister states one solution to the concurrent Syrian refugee crisis is to continue the campaign, yet it's known as many innocent non-combatants have been killed as ISIS fighters. The Recreational fishing community is wasting a lot of energy on a trivially issue by any broader standard. People need to take a bigger perspective.

Agreed, but this is a fishing forum, not a political one.

[DanL]

spear fishing, bow fishing, net fishing and jigging (a form of snagging) are all permitted either fresh, tidal or both. It's not a leap to accept flossing for sockeye.

Well none of those methods are permitted for salmon. But what makes sockeye so special that a specific technique should be acceptable to use for them, yet frowned upon for other salmon species?  The legal methods for salmon fishing are currently consistently applied for all species (as far as I can remember). If flossing is deemed kosher, then it should be for all salmon. If it's not, then it should be banned for all. I'm not sure why an exception should be carved out just for sockeye, or what the rationale for that would be.

[FlyFishin Magician]

Well none of those methods are permitted for salmon. But what makes sockeye so special that a specific technique should be acceptable to use for them, yet frowned upon for other salmon species?  The legal methods for salmon fishing are currently consistently applied for all species (as far as I can remember). If flossing is deemed kosher, then it should be for all salmon. If it's not, then it should be banned for all. I'm not sure why an exception should be carved out just for sockeye, or what the rationale for that would be.

Refer to the most recent fisheries notice and that should answer the question of whether flossing is kosher for this year:

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175480&ID=all

[Sandman]

Follow your logic we should close all stores that sell alcohol. Because some people drink and drive,

No, he never said we should shut the stores down, but whether they should discourage the practice by restricting sales on certain gear.  A more apt analogy is the forced warnings on cigarettes or the MAD signs on the liquor stores window. Or the bartender who stops selling drinks to a customer who has clearly had too much.  Yes, it could affect their bottom line, but the question is whether they have a moral obligation to do it.

[Apennock]

But what makes sockeye so special that a specific technique should be acceptable to use for them, yet frowned upon for other salmon species?  The legal methods for salmon fishing are currently consistently applied for all species (as far as I can remember). If flossing is deemed kosher, then it should be for all salmon. If it's not, then it should be banned for all. I'm not sure why an exception should be carved out just for sockeye, or what the rationale for that would be.

It isn't the practice of flossing for other species that is not "kosher" it's catching sockeye when they are closed. 

Flossing you have a significantly higher chance of catch a sockeye which, as I mentioned are closed, than with any other method.  That's the difference. 

[RalphH]

effectively flossing is accepted for all salmonids. There's no restrictions on leader length etc anywhere in the Province.

Flytech no one gets to talk about ethics in a restricted sense such as this only applies to Recreational fishing. It's what makes the position such as you ascribe so absurd. Fishing is a blood sport plain and simple. You can't wish this away by arcane aspersions to ethics.

I hope we soon see  a new non-profit activist group - Mother Against Bottom Bouncing (MABB) - oh wait, maybe that wouldn't be about fishing but a different sort of positioning.

[nosey]

I am an avid bar fisherman but I will floss during a sockeye opening, when the DFO states that they will shut the river down if they see too many people flossing they mean they will shut the river down for everyone, that means the people out flossing don't give a crap about all the other fishermen on the river they'd just as soon see it shut down, how selfish is that, I simply can't believe how ignorant those people are that they'd sooner go out and deliberately get the river closed than learn how to fish in a different manner. If the river gets closed for everyone then the sporting goods shops sell no gear whatsoever, I would think it would be in there best interest to discourage everybody they could from bottom bouncing and refusing to sell bottom bouncing gear would seem like a good way to discourage it.  For those of you who haven't learned how to bar fish it's a fairly short learning curve and the gear isn't that expensive, as far as being able to catch fish, everybody I know that's been out bar fishing this year has landed springs, if you're not catching any, move, you're in the wrong place. Everybody's fishing opportunities  for sockeye this year were severely reduced the commercials the natives and the sporties. Every time you fish in a different waters or different systems you have to learn different methods to fish, instead of selfishly screwing all your fellow fishermen over by being one of the people that gets counted as a non complying meat hound when the DFO fly over in their helicopter, why not be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Fishing is not all about the meat! There was a serious conservation problem with the sockeye this year and the DFO didn't want anybody messing with them in the warm water, that's totally understandable, what's wrong with you people that you want to go out there and torture them further when they already have to dodge nets at every corner and what's wrong with you that you want to get the river shut down for the people that actually care about the state of the salmon runs. Out of respect for the women and children that read this I have been incredibly reserved in stating my opinions of those in here that chose to refuse to comply with the DFO request to use selective methods of fishing, but wvr meathounds are meathounds you have to be aware that it's not right. and btw my dad taught me when I was 6 yrs old that two wrongs do not make a right, do you people even have dads?

[Tangles]

The whole problem with banning flossing altogether is that unfortunately a lot of the Fraser bottom bouncers will spread out to the other tributaries using desguised techiques like "float bottom bouncing" which is so popular on the Vedder, even for steelhead too. Sad picture.