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[leapin' tyee]

The reason they closed the Fraser to Chinook fishing is there was a whole bunch of Chinese flossing for sockeye at laidlaw .

Are you sure that is the reason or you just don't like them !!!!!!

[Rodney]

BTW, there's no way they were Chinese...

They were Koreans.

If that number (853,000) then that would mean that around 15% of the total run thus far was caught; and that only takes into account the sockeye that were recorded. You can safely add a few additional thousand or more.

So 15% off the top, add more significant loss due to water temperatures... I hate to say it but i think you can chalk up this year marking the total end of salmon fishing in the Fraser.  The DFO and the courts gave out enough rope for the every group to hang themselves.

Yep.

[Dave]

C'mon, we all know it's fish farms causing the problems

[chris gadsden]

C'mon, we all know it's fish farms causing the problems
[/quote Finally coming around Dave, good boy.

[Dave]

Just for you Christopher
I'm in agreement with most who have posted on this issue ... very, very poor management by the people who are supposed to looking after this resource. Seems like everyone wants their perceived share, with the fish being caught in the middle by over fishing, poor ocean conditions, habitat loss, and now faced with near lethal Fraser River and tributary river water temperatures.

The sooner people start to think about the well being of our salmon resource, and not themselves and what they think they are entitled too, the sooner we might see a reverse to this trend.

Bottom line, stop killing them. That means everyone.

[Every Day]

Really wish there was a lake only license, I am so done funding a fishery you don't even know if your going to be able to fish. What a mess.

Your basic license sales go to FFSBC... therefore it IS a lake only license (they stock your trout into lakes with the money you pay). You can choose whether or not to add stamps for river fishing.

[chris gadsden]

Just for you Christopher
I'm in agreement with most who have posted on this issue ... very, very poor management by the people who are supposed to looking after this resource. Seems like everyone wants their perceived share, with the fish being caught in the middle by over fishing, poor ocean conditions, habitat loss, and now faced with near lethal Fraser River and tributary river water temperatures.

The sooner people start to think about the well being of our salmon resource, and not themselves and what they think they are entitled too, the sooner we might see a reverse to this trend.

Bottom line, stop killing them. That means everyone.

Have been doing this on many fronts for a long time as you know. We all most remember CONSERVATION is #1.

[Dave]

Have been doing this on many fronts for a long time as you know. We all most remember CONSERVATION is #1.

True enough, but it’s all a crock Chris.  There isn’t a user group out there willing to stop fishing for the long term benefit of salmon.  Sportie groups, FN leaders and their respective band members, Pattison’s commercial boats, are all demanding a piece of a diminishing pie and competing for a depleting stock of fish.
We will see the spin off effects of this soon enough as it’s going to be a tough year in the Interior for bears, eagles, mergansers, etc.  And especially so for the trout/whitefish that have adapted to a source of protein, salmon eggs.

[chris gadsden]

True enough, but it’s all a crock Chris.  There isn’t a user group out there willing to stop fishing for the long term benefit of salmon.  Sportie groups, FN leaders and their respective band members, Pattison’s commercial boats, are all demanding a piece of a diminishing pie and competing for a depleting stock of fish.
We will see the spin off effects of this soon enough as it’s going to be a tough year in the Interior for bears, eagles, mergansers, etc.  And especially so for the trout/whitefish that have adapted to a source of protein, salmon eggs.

Yes there seems to be too many people that just accept what is going on and do nothing about it other than sit behind their computers and complain.

I checked on the TOW er's up river when it was open, 30 cars at one spot and on a weekday too, that means around 60 people that continude to floss when the request was to fish selectively, sad, they are so selfish.

[CohoJake]

Here's an idea which has been implemented to try to save some endangered salmon runs in the US (I don't know of Canadian applications) - cryogenics.  To supplement future low return years, DFO could harvest more eggs and milt in years with an excess return (like hopefully next year) and freeze them for future use.  They can then unfreeze these and spawn them anew in years where there is insufficient brood stock - this would also serve to further spread genes between brood years.  This would also help with another problem - predation on out-migrating smolt.  Studies on the Fraser have shown that in years with a large successful hatch and out-migration, the large schools of out-migrating smolt lose a much lower percentage to in-river predation (pikeminnow, bull trout, etc.) because there are a finite number of predators.

Of course, this strategy only works so long as the boom year cohorts remain strong.  It seems inevitable that the 2020 returns will be dismally low as well, but the 2013 run was healthy compared to the 2009 collapse.

I'm just trying to think of solutions instead of focusing on how dismal this is.  There are things we can try to change and things we can't change.  Climate change is something we cannot stop at this point, but hopefully that isn't the number one cause of the decline of the Fraser Sockeye.  If it is, the only Onchorynchus Nerka south of Alaska may become the mighty Kokanee. 

Fish farming?  This run may be the final push that Ottawa needs to remove salmon farms from the most sensitive places. 

Are these fish being impacted (as "bycatch") in Alaska or in the North Pacific fisheries? 

Are billions of hatchery pinks from Alaska and Russia causing a collapse of the ocean food supply, or simply out-competing Fraser Sockeye?

[FlyFishin Magician]

Your basic license sales go to FFSBC... therefore it IS a lake only license (they stock your trout into lakes with the money you pay). You can choose whether or not to add stamps for river fishing.

Doesn't the FFSBC also produce the hatchery steelhead that are released into our local streams?  Otherwise, you are correct - FFSBC (which is Provincially run) has no involvement with salmon.  That would be the hatcheries under Federal jurisdiction.

[Rodney]

Majority of your general freshwater fishing licence revenues go to FFSBC, some goes to the Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation. All of the revenues from your conservation surcharges (salmon, steelhead, sturgeon, etc...) go to Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation. None of the freshwater licence revenues go to DFO.

[norton]

It's not racist , that's why they closed because they were killing sockeye. The truth hurts your feelings😂?

[Steelhawk]

Racist to the utmost. As far as most Canadians are concerned, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Malaysians, Singaporeans all look alike to them. So unless they hang a big sign on their chests or carry their national flags like they do in the Olympics, how do you know they are Chinese? Also, are their any Caucasians in there along a big bar? Why you say they are targeting and killing sockeyes? If they are targeting springs by BB and releasing c/r sockeye, that still doesn't justify calling them killing sockeyes unless you intend to create hate. DFO can deal with them if they don't like them doing it. If they are retaining sockeyes, that is a different story. If so, why didn't you report them to DFO and instead here pointing a racist finger to spread hate on a select group? Where is the proof? But your statement is going to be read all over the Internet regardless. That is an outrageously racist post, to make a blanket accusation on an ethnic group without any proof that they were killing sockeyes. A picture like the one with sockeye heads and guts all over the road will help your case. But even with that, you still need to identify them as ethnic Chinese to vindicate your post.

[RainbowMan]

That is an outrageously racist post, to make a blanket accusation on an ethnic group without any proof that they were killing sockeyes. A picture like the one with sockeye heads and guts all over the road will help your case. But even with that, you still need to identify them as ethnic Chinese to vindicate your post.

well said, SH. Also, the post dismisses the fact that the lower Fraser closure has nothing to do with BB'ers what so ever.