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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2017, 02:41:13 PM »
Quote from: psd1179 on March 31, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
I was wondering if curing chemicals were poisonous.
I highly doubt it. Tried to research the ingredients of ProCure - but didn't come up with anything. My guess would be a mix of salt, sugar, dehydrated beet powder for colour, and some crushed up krill or other fish for taste. I don't imaging disposing a couple handfuls in the lake would be anything to be concerned about.
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2017, 03:00:29 PM »
There was that study done a few years ago showing commercial cures showed some mortality in steelhead or salmon smolts. I think they suspected the sulfites as the culprit though dont recall all the details.
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2017, 04:11:59 PM »
Quote from: DanL on March 31, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
There was that study done a few years ago showing commercial cures showed some mortality in steelhead or salmon smolts. I think they suspected the sulfites as the culprit though dont recall all the details.

I will use worms tomorrow. I dont want my hands dyed
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2017, 05:55:35 PM »
Quote from: DanL on March 31, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
There was that study done a few years ago showing commercial cures showed some mortality in steelhead or salmon smolts. I think they suspected the sulfites as the culprit though dont recall all the details.
Ah found this after a bit more digging. I stand corrected!
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0021406
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2017, 09:00:18 PM »
Bilge water works in a pinch situation, no worms or pro cured krill. ::)
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another SLICE of dirty fish perhaps?

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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2017, 09:07:49 PM »
Quote from: Ambassador on March 31, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
Ah found this after a bit more digging. I stand corrected!
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0021406

I learned curing from FishingwithRod. Maybe we should all stop using curing chemicals?
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2017, 09:16:08 PM »
psd1179 - I was trying to say perhaps don't dump your garbage into the lake.

Oh I was also wondering if the coho meat was a deep red flesh like sockeye?
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2017, 10:44:07 PM »
Quote from: cutthroat22 on March 31, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
psd1179 - I was trying to say perhaps don't dump your garbage into the lake.

Oh I was also wondering if the coho meat was a deep red flesh like sockeye?

1 Bait is not garbage
2 No
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2017, 12:01:48 AM »
Quote from: psd1179 on April 01, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
1 Bait is not garbage
2 No

1 Oh I didn't know that.

2 How many of the coho you kept from Kawkawa had worms? 
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »
Quote from: cutthroat22 on April 02, 2017, 12:01:48 AM
1 Oh I didn't know that.

2 How many of the coho you kept from Kawkawa had worms?

Speaking of baiting..
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2017, 11:51:42 AM »
Quote from: psd1179 on March 31, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
I learned curing from FishingwithRod. Maybe we should all stop using curing chemicals?

Seems reasonable to stop using curing chemicals, based on the report above that sulfites can kill juvenile salmon and steelhead. There are recipes online for homemade cures that don't use sulfites. I'll try one of those next season and see how it goes.

Quote from: psd1179 on March 31, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Maybe we should all stop using curing chemicals?

I'll decide for myself and you decide for yourself. Trying to tell people online what to do has never worked out well for me  ::)
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2017, 01:41:18 PM »
On some commercial cures you'll see something like "meets Oregon State guidelines" or something similar the label. I believe that's based on reduced sulfite content due environmental concerns.

I'm sure there are DIY cures based on nothing but some sort of salt + sugar base which should have basically no adverse environmental impact. Shelf life may suffer a bit without borax and/or sulfites though.
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2017, 11:09:05 PM »
Most of the coho we encountered this year were spewing out worms/nematodes while being landed so we did all of our releases in the water by grabbing the hook to dislodge, which we usually do anyway.

Kokanee fishing has already slowed down which is expected for April. We won't be going again until late May.
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2017, 06:34:17 AM »
Quote from: DanL on April 02, 2017, 01:41:18 PM
On some commercial cures you'll see something like "meets Oregon State guidelines" or something similar the label. I believe that's based on reduced sulfite content due environmental concerns.

Thanks for the tip. Here's a bit more info I found for anyone who's interested:
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2011/september/090111c.asp
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Re: Kawkawa Lake
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
Quote from: Rodney on April 02, 2017, 11:09:05 PM
Most of the coho we encountered this year were spewing out worms/nematodes while being landed so we did all of our releases in the water by grabbing the hook to dislodge, which we usually do anyway.

Kokanee fishing has already slowed down which is expected for April. We won't be going again until late May.

Either the residents or the boaters pooh in the water.
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