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[cammer]

We could easily go in circles here and I could say " prove they are processing and storing and or eating the fish". Friends  of mine drive through Port Alberni just after the sockeye arrived in numbers and " Sockeye for sale" signs were up, so that tells me like other first nations,   u can either sell fish and do with the cash what you want or just retain your fish? Most want freedom with their diet and the cash allows them this. The old ways are lost in this society, fish unsold are dumped, poaching game etc is the "New Normal " Chiefs are multi millionaire s,band fisherman don't share profits with rest of band, all part of new reality so I believe that all fishery and game allotments are just swimming and running dollar signs that allow first nations economies,,so they should all be included under one allotment

[RainbowMan]

We could easily go in circles here and I could say " prove they are processing and storing and or eating the fish". Friends  of mine drive through Port Alberni just after the sockeye arrived in numbers and " Sockeye for sale" signs were up, so that tells me like other first nations,   u can either sell fish and do with the cash what you want or just retain your fish? Most want freedom with their diet and the cash allows them this. The old ways are lost in this society, fish unsold are dumped, poaching game etc is the "New Normal " Chiefs are multi millionaire s,band fisherman don't share profits with rest of band, all part of new reality so I believe that all fishery and game allotments are just swimming and running dollar signs that allow first nations economies,,so they should all be included under one allotment

While there's some truth in what you said above, it is not entirely true. There are FN bands on the island and up north that still have strong connections to their ceremonial things and don't see the salmon as swimming $$. I agree with you that we could go in circles here. If we have problems with the current state of affairs about FN openings, we can only think of the following two alternatives:
1- Find and document the evidence that can be proved in courts
2- Follow the legal process to protest and change the law with an intent to take away/limit the FN's constitutional fishing rights

Besides these two, we can also endlessly talk and bitch on the Internet forums with the hope that a miracle will change the current state.

[wildmanyeah]

ubject: FN0673-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye and Pink Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 18, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 18 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink runs to date and review the status of
migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.   

Gill net test fishing began in the Fraser River on June 28 at Whonnock, July 2
at Qualark Creek and July 12 at Cottonwood.  In marine waters the gill net test
fisheries began on July 7 in Area 20 and July 11 in Area 12 (Round Island). 
Sockeye catches in all test fisheries have been very low to date.  Stock
identification analyses are currently showing a continuation of the higher than
expected proportions of Early Stuart sockeye and increasing proportions of
Early Summer and Summer run stocks.  No late run stocks have been observed to
date.

Sample sizes from both in-river and marine test fisheries have remained low
which results in a higher level of uncertainty in stock composition estimates. 
Hell's Gate observations have dropped in recent days and are lower than would
be expected. During today's Panel call the start-up of the Purse seine test
fisheries in Areas 12 and 20 was delayed by two days with start-up now planned
for July 24 and 25 respectively.  These dates will be confirmed at the July 21
Panel meeting.

DNA analysis of samples taken in the marine test fisheries show sockeye stock
compositions in Area 20 of approximately 47% Early Stuart, 42% Early Summers
and 11% Summer run stocks.  During the call today, the Fraser Panel made no
changes to the recently reduced Early Stuart run size of 50,000 with an Area 20
peak run timing of July 3.  The estimated escapement of Early Stuart sockeye as
of July 17 is 35,100 fish. Early summer run stocks are also tracking well below
the p25 forecast of 166,000 but it is too early to tell if the returns are as
weak as they appear or just later than expected.

In-season assessment of all run timing groups generally occurs shortly after
identification of their peak migration through marine areas. Early Summer
stocks are starting to build in marine and in-river test fishery samples. Run-
size estimates of Early Summer returns should be available in late July after
their expected peak migration through marine areas. The estimated escapement of
Early Summer-run and Summer-run sockeye past Mission through July 17 is only
11,000 and 1,500 respectively.

On July 17, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 4,041 m3/s, which is
approximately 24% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the
Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 17 was 17.2°C, which is 0.6°C higher than
average for this date and is forecast to increase to 17.8°C by July 23.

For pre-season planning purposes the Fraser Panel has adopted management
adjustments for Early Summer, Summer and Late run sockeye that reflect the
forecast water temperature and discharge conditions based on the May and June
information for Early Summer and Summers and anticipated river entry dates for
Late run fish. Management adjustments are additional fish that are removed from
identified harvest levels and allowed to migrate upstream in an attempt to
assist in achievement of identified spawner objectives for the different run
timing groups.  In-season information in the coming weeks will help to inform
future decisions on management adjustments for the Early Summer and Summer
management groups while the Early Stuart and Late run management groups will be
managed based on the respective Low Abundance Exploitation Rate (LAER) for each
group (10% for Early Stuart and 20% for Lates).  There will be no in-season
estimates of management adjustment for Early Stuart in 2017 as the forecast
returns are very low across most of the forecast range and it is anticipated
they will be managed to the LAER, with the expected outcome of a spawning
escapement well below target.

First Nations food, social and ceremonial (FSC) sockeye fisheries have been
restricted by the 4 week window closure protecting Early Stuart and the
earliest timed Early Summer stocks with limited fishing opportunities to date
directed at Chinook salmon.  Due to the appearance of lateness and/or weakness
in the returns of Early summers and Summers the start-up of sockeye directed
FSC fisheries will be delayed until the identification of TAC for Early Summer
or Summer sockeye.

FSC fishers in marine approach areas as well as the Fraser River are requested
to check for the opening times and any restrictions in their local area.

Given the low returns to date there are no fisheries directed upon Fraser River
sockeye scheduled at this time, and updates will continue to be provided
following meetings of the Fraser River Panel on Tuesdays and Fridays of each
week.

The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Friday, July 21, 2017.


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Jennifer Nener 604-666-0789






Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0673
Sent July 18, 2017 at 1555

[RalphH]

We could easily go in circles here and I could say " prove they are processing and storing and or eating the fish". Friends  of mine drive through Port Alberni just after the sockeye arrived in numbers and " Sockeye for sale" signs were up, ...

excuse me for deleting the usual "the Chiefs are all millionaires" nauseating anti-native diatribe.

Sorry I thought the topic was Fraser Salmon not Stamp river. Last I heard the return of sockeye on the Stamp was fairly good & it had been opened to a 4 day seiner harvest of the surplus, though the arm chair fisheries biologists dissent as usual. Far better that Pattison sells them for cash than some cash strapped Indians. ...forgive the sarcasm.

[wildmanyeah]

Apparently the americans are better conservationist then us

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2017/07/18/big-harvest-and-a-buck-a-pound-bristol-bays-2017-should-be-huge/


Or is it more to do climate change and ocean survival rates?  then overfishing and loss of habitat?

Im perplexed skeena seeing record low returns, Fraser river forecasted for horrible returns. If its loss of habitat then what's up with the skeena?

Ugg im scared that it just might be climate change

[CohoJake]

Apparently the americans are better conservationist then us

Hahahaha, not hardly.  The big Kenai River chinooks are all but wiped out.  Bristol bay just happens to be naturally very productive for sockeye, and I think it was less impacted by the "blob".  Also, don't most runs up there tend to have one year longer in the cycle, so maybe next year will be a down year?  Also, I'm curious, I know many large runs of sockeye in northern Alaska are "river type" i.e. don't rear in lakes, much like the Harrison stock that seem to do well when other Fraser sockeye are not doing well.  I wonder if the runs that are booming are "river type" fish and the depressed runs are "lake type"?

[Rodney]

Tuesday, July 18, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 18 to receive an update on the migration of
Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.

Test fishing catch and escapement continue to track below the pre-season median forecast
level of abundance. The marine migration of Early Stuart sockeye is winding down. At the meeting
today, the run size estimate of 50,000 Early Stuart sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area
20 of July 03 was unchanged. Assessments of Early Summer sockeye are ongoing.

On July 17 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 4,041cms, which is approximately
24% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 17
was 17.20C, which is 0.60C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and
water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are
required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.

All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.

The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 21, 2017.

http://www.psc.org/download/468/2017/8329/july-18-2017.pdf

[Rodney]

Friday, July 21, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 21 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.

Daily test fishing catches and escapements continue to track below the pre-season median forecast level of abundance. Current assessments of Early Summer run daily abundance are tracking below the p25 level forecast of 166,000 fish which means there would be no International total allowable catch. Consequently, no sockeye directed fisheries are being planned by either country. If this pattern continues, the Panel will likely adopt an abundance lower than the median forecast of 343,000 for management purposes at its next meeting. Harrison and Late Stuart sockeye currently comprise most of the Summer-run sockeye presently migrating through the Juan de Fuca Strait assessment route. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available early in August after their peak migration through marine assessment areas.

On July 20 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 3,784cms, which is approximately 24% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 20 was 17.30C, which is 0.40C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.

All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.

The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 25, 2017.

http://www.psc.org/download/468/2017/8340/july-21-2017.pdf

[wildmanyeah]

Category(s): ABORIGINAL - General Information
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject: FN0697-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye and Pink Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 21, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 21 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink runs to date and review the status of
migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.   

Gill net test fishing catches continue to be very poor in both the marine and
in-river testing areas.  Stock identification information continues to show a
higher than expected proportions of Early Stuart sockeye largely due to the
lower numbers of Early Summer and Summer run stocks showing to date.  No late
run stocks have been observed at this time.

Sample sizes from both in-river and marine test fisheries have remained low
which results in a higher level of uncertainty in stock composition estimates. 
Hell's Gate observations have continued to decline. During today's Panel call
the start-up of the Purse seine test fisheries in Areas 12 and 20 was confirmed
for July 24 and 25 respectively.  In addition, Reef net test fishery
observations will be conducted for the next 3 days to determine if Fraser
sockeye are present in US waters.  The diversion rate through Johnstone Strait
is currently estimated to be 16% which is well below the pre-season predicted
rate of 51% for the entire season.

DNA analysis of samples taken in the marine test fisheries show sockeye stock
compositions in Area 20 of approximately 21% Early Stuart, 52% Early Summers
and 26% Summer run stocks.  During the call today, the Fraser Panel made no
changes to the recently reduced Early Stuart run size of 50,000 with an Area 20
peak run timing of July 3. The estimated escapement past Mission of Early
Stuart sockeye as of July 20 is 40,000 fish.

Early Summer run stocks are also tracking well below the p25 forecast of
166,000 but it is too early to tell if the returns are as weak as they appear
or just later than expected.  Although there was no formal change to the run
size today at the p25 run size there is no TAC available and as such no sockeye
directed fisheries are being considered at this time. It is anticipated that a
formal run size will be adopted at the next Panel meeting on Tuesday, July 25.

In-season assessment of all run timing groups generally occurs shortly after
identification of their peak migration through marine areas.  Early Summer run
stocks are starting to build in marine and in-river test fishery samples. Run-
size estimates of Early Summer returns should be available in late July after
their expected peak migration through marine areas.  The estimated escapement
of Early Summer-run and Summer-run sockeye past Mission through July 20th is
only 15,400 and 3,200 respectively.

On July 20, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 3,784 m3/s, which is
approximately 24% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the
Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 20 was 17.3°C, which is 0.4°C higher than
average for this date and is forecast to increase to 18.4°C by July 26. Due to
the very low discharge levels water temperatures are impacted more by the air
temperatures they are exposed to.

For pre-season planning purposes the Fraser Panel has adopted management
adjustments for Early Summer, Summer and Late run sockeye that reflect the
forecast water temperature and discharge conditions based on the May and June
information for Early Summer and Summers and anticipated river entry dates for
Late run fish. Management adjustments are additional fish that are removed from
identified harvest levels and allowed to migrate upstream in an attempt to
assist in achievement of identified spawner objectives for the different run
timing groups.  In-season information in the coming weeks will help to inform
future decisions on management adjustments for the Early Summer and Summer
management groups while the Early Stuart and Late run management groups will be
managed based on the respective Low Abundance Exploitation Rate (LAER) for each
group (10% for Early Stuart and 20% for Lates).  There will be no in-season
estimates of management adjustment for Early Stuart in 2017 as the forecast
returns are very low across most of the forecast range and it is anticipated
they will be managed to the LAER, with the expected outcome of a spawning
escapement well below target.

First Nations food, social and ceremonial (FSC) sockeye fisheries have been
restricted by the 4 week window closure protecting Early Stuart and the
earliest timed Early Summer run stocks with limited fishing opportunities to
date directed at chinook salmon.  Due to the appearance of lateness and/or
weakness in the returns of Early Summer and Summer run stocks, the start-up of
sockeye directed FSC fisheries will continue to be delayed until the
identification of TAC for Early Summer and/or Summer run sockeye.

FSC fishers in marine approach areas as well as the Fraser River are requested
to check for the opening times and any restrictions in their local area.

Given the low returns to date there are no fisheries directed upon Fraser River
sockeye scheduled at this time, and updates will continue to be provided
following meetings of the Fraser River Panel on Tuesdays and Fridays of each
week.

The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Tuesday, July 25, 2017.


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Jennifer Nener 604-666-0789

[Rodney]

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=198781&ID=all

Effective dates:  00:01 hours July 25, 2017 until further notice.

Waters:  All waters in Region 2.

Management Measure:  Fishing for sockeye is not permitted in Region 2.

Current in-season information regarding Fraser River sockeye salmon has
identified a conservation concern.  As a result, additional management actions
are being implemented to protect migrating Fraser River sockeye stocks.

Variation Order: 2017-364


Notes:

Anglers are advised to check http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/index-
eng.html for fishing closures and other recreational fishing information.

Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation?  If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336 or the British Columbia's toll-free RAPP line (Report All
Poachers and Polluters) at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277).

For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Barbara Mueller, Resource Manager (Fraser River) - Delta (604)666-2370

Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0699
Sent July 24, 2017 at 1516

[RainbowMan]

Does this apply to FSC netting as well or just the sporties?

[CohoJake]

Does this apply to FSC netting as well or just the sporties?

This announcement is directed at Recreational fishers.  I wonder what motivated the announcement?  Has someone been caught flossing the Fraser already?  Was someone targeting sockeye in Chilliwack Lake?

[RainbowMan]

This announcement is directed at Recreational fishers.  I wonder what motivated the announcement?  Has someone been caught flossing the Fraser already?  Was someone targeting sockeye in Chilliwack Lake?

I wouldn't read too much into it. DFO is lost between their conservation mandates and the political clown shows in Ottawa and that's nothing new. Maybe if they did something about the open nettings in the mouth of the south arm since April, that would've added some weight to their "management measures" this is really sad.

[wildmanyeah]

Tuesday, July 25, 2017


The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 25th to receive an update on the migration of
Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Daily test fishing catches and escapements continue to track below the pre-season median
forecast level of abundance. Current assessments of Early Summer run daily abundance are
tracking below the p25 level forecast of 166,000. The Fraser River Panel agreed to adopt the p25
forecast of 166,000 as an interim management measure, which means there is currently no
International total allowable catch. The Fraser River Panel will review the run size at the next
meeting on Friday, July 28th. Consequently, no sockeye directed fisheries are being planned by
either country. Pitt and Late Stuart sockeye currently comprise most of the sockeye presently
migrating through the Juan de Fuca Strait assessment route. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye
abundance should be available in August after their peak migration through marine assessment
areas.


On July 24 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 3,344cms, which is approximately
30% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 24
was 17.40C, which is 0.20C lower than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water
temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required
during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.


All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.


The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 28th, 2017.

[DanL]

This announcement is directed at Recreational fishers.  I wonder what motivated the announcement?  Has someone been caught flossing the Fraser already?  Was someone targeting sockeye in Chilliwack Lake?

Could just be a precautionary measure. The Fraser was already closed to salmon fishing so this new measure adds nothing there . In waters where sockeye retention is/was zero, it would have been technically legal to target sockeye for C&R. With this announcement there would be no targeting of sockeye at all, though I dont know how a CO could determine you were fishing for sockeye vs coho/springs/pinks/etc.