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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2017, 03:32:59 PM »

Could just be a precautionary measure. The Fraser was already closed to salmon fishing so this new measure adds nothing there . In waters where sockeye retention is/was zero, it would have been technically legal to target sockeye for C&R. With this announcement there would be no targeting of sockeye at all, though I dont know how a CO could determine you were fishing for sockeye vs coho/springs/pinks/etc.
Here's a thought - in Washington, where by law the tribes and the state and co-managers of salmon and steelhead runs, the tribes object highly to allowing catch-and-release on stocks that they are not allowed to harvest at all, arguing that there is no such thing as zero impact from sportfishing, even with bait bans and barbless hook rules in place.  And I think to a certain extent they are correct.   Perhaps this rule clarification is an attempt to satisfy FN fishers that everything is being done to protect the stocks that legally they have first right to.

This fight has played out in the current season in Washington with several rivers (or sections of rivers) being closed to all angling, including fishing for trout with selective gear, as zero impact on protected salmon and steelhead will be tolerated by the Tribal co-managers. 
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2017, 04:56:18 PM »

This announcement is directed at Recreational fishers.  I wonder what motivated the announcement?  Has someone been caught flossing the Fraser already?  Was someone targeting sockeye in Chilliwack Lake?

not exclusively no. Also the link is dead.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2017, 06:43:12 PM »

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Subject: FN0709-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye and Pink Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 25, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met on Tuesday, July 25 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink runs to date and review the status of
migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.   

Gill net test fishing catches remain very poor in both the marine and in-river
testing areas.  Purse seine test fishing began in Area 12 on July 24 while Area
20 began on July 25.  Catches during the first day in Area 12 and the last 3
days of Reef Net observations were also very low.  Stock identification
information is showing a decline in the proportion of Early Stuart sockeye in
Area 20 with continued presence in Area 12 samples.  Early Summer and Summer
run stocks are currently comprising the largest fraction in both approach
areas.  No late run stocks have been observed at this time.

Sample sizes from both in-river and marine test fisheries have remained low
which results in a higher level of uncertainty in stock composition estimates. 
Hell's Gate observations have been extremely low in recent days.  During
today's Panel call, the start-up of the purse seine test fishery in Area 13 was
delayed to Monday July 31, with confirmation to be made during the next Panel
meeting on July 28. Based on the gill net test fishery catches in Areas 12 and
20, the diversion rate through Johnstone Strait has increased to 28% which
remains below the pre-season predicted rate of 51% for the entire season.

The most recent DNA samples taken in the marine test fisheries show sockeye
stock compositions in Area 20 of approximately 0% Early Stuart, 48% Early
Summer and 52% Summer run stocks.  In Area 12 the stock composition was 23%
Early Stuart, 32% Early Summer and 45% Summer run stocks.

During the call today, the Fraser Panel made no changes to the Early Stuart run
size of 50,000 with an Area 20 peak run timing of July 3. The estimated
escapement past Mission of Early Stuart sockeye as of July 24 is 43,800 fish.

Early Summer run stocks are also tracking well below the p25 forecast of
166,000 with some of the later timing stocks in this group not being observed
at this time. During the Panel call today the decision was made to reduce the
run size for Early Summers to the p25 run size as an interim step with the
anticipation of further reductions if the later timed stocks also return lower
than forecast.  At this run size there is no TAC available and as such no
sockeye directed fisheries are being considered at this time.  The estimated
escapement of Early Summer-run and Summer-run sockeye past Mission through July
24 is only 18,800 and 4,500 respectively. Both are well below the expected
levels for this date.

On July 24, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 3,344 m3/s, which is
approximately 30% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the
Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 24 was 17.4°C, which is 0.2°C lower than
average for this date due largely to cooler air temperatures in recent days.   
The forecast is for water temperatures to increase to 18.8°C by July 30. Due to
the very low discharge levels, water temperatures are influenced more by the
air temperatures they are exposed to.

For pre-season planning purposes the Fraser Panel has adopted management
adjustments for Early Summer, Summer and Late run sockeye that reflect the
forecast water temperature and discharge conditions based on the May and June
information for Early Summer and Summers, and anticipated river entry dates for
Late run fish. Management adjustments are additional fish that are removed from
identified harvest levels and allowed to migrate upstream in an attempt to
assist in achievement of identified spawner objectives for the different run
timing groups.  In-season information in the coming weeks will help to inform
future decisions on management adjustments for the Early Summer and Summer
management groups while the Early Stuart and Late run management groups will be
managed based on the respective Low Abundance Exploitation Rate (LAER) for each
group (10% for Early Stuart and 20% for Lates).  There will be no in-season
estimates of management adjustment for Early Stuart in 2017 as the forecast
returns are very low across most of the forecast range and it is anticipated
they will be managed to the LAER, with the expected outcome of a spawning
escapement well below target.

First Nations food, social and ceremonial (FSC) sockeye fisheries have been
restricted by the 4 week window closure protecting Early Stuart and the
earliest timed Early Summer run stocks with limited fishing opportunities to
date directed at chinook salmon.  Due to the appearance of lateness and/or
weakness in the returns of Early Summer and Summer run stocks, the start-up of
sockeye directed FSC fisheries will continue to be delayed until the
identification of TAC for Early Summer and/or Summer run sockeye.

FSC fishers in marine approach areas as well as the Fraser River are requested
to check for the opening times and any restrictions in their local area.

Given the low returns to date there are no fisheries directed upon Fraser River
sockeye scheduled at this time, and updates will continue to be provided
following meetings of the Fraser River Panel on Tuesdays and Fridays of each
week.

The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Friday, July 28, 2017.


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Jennifer Nener 604-666-0789
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0709
Sent July 25, 2017 at 1519
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 09:55:43 AM »

Tuesday, July 25, 2017

The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 25th to receive an update on the migration of Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.

Daily test fishing catches and escapements continue to track below the pre-season median forecast level of abundance. Current assessments of Early Summer run daily abundance are tracking below the p25 level forecast of 166,000. The Fraser River Panel agreed to adopt the p25 forecast of 166,000 as an interim management measure, which means there is currently no International total allowable catch. The Fraser River Panel will review the run size at the next meeting on Friday, July 28th. Consequently, no sockeye directed fisheries are being planned by either country. Pitt and Late Stuart sockeye currently comprise most of the sockeye presently migrating through the Juan de Fuca Strait assessment route. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available in August after their peak migration through marine assessment areas.

On July 24 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 3,344cms, which is approximately 30% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 24 was 17.40C, which is 0.20C lower than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.

All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.

The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 28th, 2017.

http://www.psc.org/download/468/2017/8342/july-25-2017.pdf

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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 10:38:07 PM »

DFO's "management measures" are hitting a new low with their double standards across different user groups. Their mandate to conserve oceanic resources seems to have been losing grounds to other political priorities.
Another netting openning in the tidal Fraser. Boys were hard at work below the Portman today.

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html

« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 10:42:06 PM by RainbowMan »
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2017, 08:00:27 AM »

DFO's "management measures" are hitting a new low with their double standards across different user groups. Their mandate to conserve oceanic resources seems to have been losing grounds to other political priorities.
Another netting openning in the tidal Fraser. Boys were hard at work below the Portman today.

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html

Saw a couple gill netters under the alex fraser this morning. What a joke.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2017, 08:34:57 AM »

FN fisheries get first priority and that's the way it is. It's not a double standard and whining & bitching about it won't change it.

People should also be aware gillnet test fisheries are on the river pretty much every day from June into September. The Cottonwood Gillnet test fishery operates in that area.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2017, 08:38:33 AM by RalphH »
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2017, 12:17:07 PM »

FN fisheries get first priority and that's the way it is. It's not a double standard and whining & bitching about it won't change it.

People should also be aware gillnet test fisheries are on the river pretty much every day from June into September. The Cottonwood Gillnet test fishery operates in that area.
That is not entirely true. Conservation takes first priority and that is DFO's primary mandate. DFO's contradictory fishing notifications and FN opening announcements don't seem to be in line with the current state of scarce resources. Question is: at what point DFO will put a ful closure blanket to the entire river? When there is only ZERO fish left in the run??
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2017, 01:38:45 PM »

That is not entirely true. Conservation takes first priority and that is DFO's primary mandate. DFO's contradictory fishing notifications and FN opening announcements don't seem to be in line with the current state of scarce resources. Question is: at what point DFO will put a ful closure blanket to the entire river? When there is only ZERO fish left in the run??

ask them.

However there is no double standard and DFO is legally obligated to provide FN opportunities provided minimum conservation requirements are met..  What those minimum requirements are probably requires negotiation with the effected FN groups. Also were are getting statements mostly from PSC here - not DFO. The PSC manages the Fraser sockeye returns.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2017, 06:08:19 PM »

There may be low sockeye in the fraser but save on foods is loaded great place for your next catch
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2017, 06:29:19 PM »

I have a question for the experts:
There have been multiple FN openings in the Fraser for Chinook, Sockeye and incidental pinks over the last couple of weeks and there are more gill net openings announced for this and next week. While the last two DFO notifications are clearly emphasizing on the fact that this is still too early and "numbers from the test fisheries" are not giving us the true picture and estimate of the sockeye run size, how these gill net openings can be justified? Does the DFO have the actual escapement numbers for the early Stuart sockeye and is the risk of low escapement already mitigated? Can somebody shed some light please?

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/docs/abor-autoc/UpperFraser/UMFOpenTimes-eng.htm

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/docs/abor-autoc/UpperFraser/UMFPrevOpenTimes-eng.htm

I just looked back at some earlier posts including this quoted above.

Perhaps it helps to look at the detail of some of these openings and consider where, what's targeted and how they can fish.  Some of the sockeye openings are not in the Fraser but in tributaries that are expected to have better returns than say the Early Stuart run - the Chilko run and the Horsefly stocks are generally ok relative to some others. Most chinook targeted fishing is using dipnets, hook and line and fish wheels -which is the sort of selective methodology the Sport Angling community has been crying for. Are we bitching about that too now? You have to consider too that the FN are agreeing to fish using these methods as opposed to gillnets which they were more or less forced to use  for many decades.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2017, 07:33:28 PM »

You have to consider too that the FN are agreeing to fish using these methods as opposed to gillnets which they were more or less forced to use  for many decades.

Please find me a First Nations person who would prefer traditional methods over the rape net. That's almost funny Ralph.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2017, 06:46:37 AM »

Please find me a First Nations person who would prefer traditional methods over the rape net. That's almost funny Ralph.

you couldn't find a FN person period...makes it easier to dish out ignorant disinformation.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2017, 01:32:48 PM »

Friday, July 28, 2017


The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 28th to receive an update on the migration of
Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.

Daily test fishing catches and escapements continue to track below the pre-season median
forecast level of abundance. Current assessments of Early Summer run daily abundance are
tracking below the p25 level forecast of 166,000 and closer to the p10 level of 95,000.
Consequently, no sockeye directed fisheries are being planned by either country. At the meeting
today, the run size estimate of 166,000 for the Early Summer run with a marine timing through
Area 20 of July 20 was unchanged. Pitt, Late Stuart / Stellako, and Chilko / Quesnel sockeye
currently comprise most of the sockeye presently migrating through the Juan de Fuca Strait
assessment route. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available in August
after their peak migration through marine assessment areas.

On July 27th the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 3,280cms, which is
approximately 29% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark
Creek on July 27th was 18.60C, which is 0.70C higher than average for this date. Fraser River
discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific
management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye
escapement goals.

All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.

The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 1st,
2017.
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Re: 2017 Fraser River chinook, pink and sockeye salmon updates
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2017, 03:32:01 PM »

Salmon fishing closures have been extended past the original July 31st date until further notice. Fishery notices:

Non-tidal Fraser River in Region 2:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=199052&ID=all

Tidal Fraser River:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=199056&ID=all

Fraser River Mouth (Subareas 29-6, 29-7, 29-9 and 29-10):
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=199048&ID=all