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[cammer]

Dan L.   Same thing I wondered. How wasn't this seen nowadays?

[Ry the fly guy]

Cammer, go cry yourself a river and chuck bait in it. You really consider looking out for fish an attack? How about  you call me out on one of my arguments? Or maybe respond to ralphH's comment about mortality rate? Face it man you are grasping at straws trying to justify your need for bait, honestly pathetic that what  I assume is a grown man can act so childish.

 Come to the island someday I'll show you how to cast a lure, it's really not that hard.

[Steelhawk]

I fly fish for pink and trout and I also chuck lure for coho & pink. But there is nothing wrong to entice a fish to bite a nicely cured piece of fresh roe at first light for those who want to do it and be effective and Cammer is not alone in choosing such an approach. If I live by the Vedder or another productive system and the river is within walking distance, then I would prefer to slow down my efficiency and won't brave the elements at first light with the crowd, and would cover all nice but ignored spots with jigs, spoons or even my Tasmanian Devil to hunt down a coho or two, fishing it much like hunting down a steelhead in a big run away from crowd. If I don't catch a fish, there is tomorrow and who needs to fill up the freezer with fish? I have an oldtimer friend who lives by the Vedder actually switched over to stricly spey rod strictly for steelhead just to slow down his steelhead catching with lures and roe. So to each their own. But for city folks who have only weekends to fish while the family allows them to be away for a precious day of fishing, showing up at first light with roe for coho/spring is probably their preferred way to do it, and they can be home early with some nice fish. There is nothing wrong with that. It is legal. Just because some dumb heads decide to harvest roe illegally doesn't mean others who collect roe and fish it legally have to pay for the sins of these dumb heads. Let's just respect each others' preferred way and not trash others who fish differently but legally.

[243Pete]

Fly, spin, pin, and ect. Catching fish legally and fairly is the main point to all this, throwing all the guys who chuck roe into the category with those who committed this act is an unfair statement. Those people who did their illegal deeds aren't anglers so I wouldn't call them as such and more along the line of criminals who break into cars or people who strip copper wires and pipes from buildings.

As Milo stated that it's best to not confront these people since they seem to already have knowledge into what they are doing and most likely will take actions towards an individual in a bad sense. Best to try and take a discreet photo or video of the people, maybe a photo of their vehicle and plates and forward it to law enforcement/ Co's

I think what we can all take away from this is just when faced with illegal actions of others is to call it into RAPP.

I've always wondered about how does cured roe effect other species of fish like bull trout and ect since they feed heavily on eggs during spawning season, or even steelhead as I know that roe can be deadly effective but if they are injesting it then will it harm them in the long term? (still prefer a bead and chunky dew worm combo)

[Ry the fly guy]

Steelhawk: I am not against any legal fishing method, to each there own. Preferably BC would ban bait in my opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion. I think it would do nothing except good things for the fishery.

[bigsnag]

Uh tell us another one LOL. I've seen bait anglers snag just about everything that swims. I guess I'll have to take notes.

Say what you want about steelhead and salmon taken on a fly.

However every c&r study relates a simple fact they mortality rates for fly vs bait is that bait produces about 3x the mortality rate plus a higher catch rate and higher repeat captures (fish caught more than once). That adds up to more dead fish.

My point is on any given day more fish are snagged or flossed by other fishing methods than the bait fishermen. You love to argue with exceptions so be it.

What did I say about steelhead and salmon taken on a fly anyway?

The study that you quote, is that done on trout or salmon?

[RalphH]

steelhead mostly. I am not aware of too many studies on salmon excepting coho in which case roe produces moralities that are much higher than for steelhead.

[milo]

A few years ago, I read a comment by (I believe it was Bryan Niska) stating that bait is for little fat kids because it's easy. Another poster said fishing bait is alike to feeding the fish - no challenge in hiding a sharp hook in a blob of something they naturally ingest.
Fishing artificials such as flies, lures, yarn and jigs, OTOH, adds the challenge of fooling the fish into thinking it is a food source when, in fact, it's not.
Feeding the fish vs. Fooling the fish was the argument that finally swayed me in favour of the artificials (not to mention the stink, the mess and the stains).
It was then that I stopped cooking boillies for carp, curing roe and digging out worms.
My catch ratio dropped considerably in the first two or three years, but as I became more proficient with artificials, the catch ratio went up again.

Does that make me a better fisherman than the roe chucker? No, but I like to think I evolved as an angler and made my outings far more challenging and interesting.
If nothing works, I'll light up a cigar and just enjoy being there, regardless of whether I'm catching or not.

[cammer]

I've brood stocked for a local river for probably 15 years now. I am guessing 25 to 30 wild steelhead hooked and captured by myself in that time frame and zero mortality, all hooked inside mouth near jaw bone on roe. I don't know about you fishermen but if your not on the ball fishing bait a Fish can easily bite and spit in a millisecond. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpd0hSoeI_I         So if you think bait fishing is so easy?   Then why are so many people talking skunks on vedder reports right now?? Doesn't seem that easy to me! People you have to face facts, fishing is a cruel sport, why do u think Peta wants it shut down , reefing any hook into a Fish isn't ethical treatment of any animal. You either agree with fishing and all its genres/ discipline s or you don't , don't try to be any better than a kid fishing a worm in a pond as its a game of death

[avid angler]

A few years ago, I read a comment by (I believe it was Bryan Niska) stating that bait is for little fat kids because it's easy. Another poster said fishing bait is alike to feeding the fish - no challenge in hiding a sharp hook in a blob of something they naturally ingest.
Fishing artificials such as flies, lures, yarn and jigs, OTOH, adds the challenge of fooling the fish into thinking it is a food source when, in fact, it's not.
Feeding the fish vs. Fooling the fish was the argument that finally swayed me in favour of the artificials (not to mention the stink, the mess and the stains).
It was then that I stopped cooking boillies for carp, curing roe and digging out worms.
My catch ratio dropped considerably in the first two or three years, but as I became more proficient with artificials, the catch ratio went up again.

Does that make me a better fisherman than the roe chucker? No, but I like to think I evolved as an angler and made my outings far more challenging and interesting.
If nothing works, I'll light up a cigar and just enjoy being there, regardless of whether I'm catching or not.

Brian Niska is a beek who writes his own headlines to improve his reputation. Before he moved up north I caught him red handed squirting scent on his flies. Now his nickname amongst the terrace guides is no fish Niska. That isn't an individual I would be basing my ethics on

[Blood_Orange]

As a side note, would it be better to use the province's RAPP # or the DFO ORR # if one were to see something like this?

I'd start by calling DFO because it's to do with salmon but it doesn't matter too much. Both provincial and federal fisheries officers have the authority to enforce the regs. The important part is phoning it in.

If you don't have the numbers saved in your phone already:

DFO ORR (Observe, Record, Report)
Greater Vancouver: 604-607-4186
Outside Vancouver: 1-800-465-4336

BC RAPP Line (Report All Poachers & Polluters)
1-877-952-7277

[cammer]

Agree on Niska,,heard lots of nefarious activities on his part. Could comment but I learned long ago not to be specific

[Hike_and_fish]

I'd start by calling DFO because it's to do with salmon but it doesn't matter too much. Both provincial and federal fisheries officers have the authority to enforce the regs. The important part is phoning it in.

If you don't have the numbers saved in your phone already:

DFO ORR (Observe, Record, Report)
Greater Vancouver: 604-607-4186
Outside Vancouver: 1-800-465-4336

BC RAPP Line (Report All Poachers & Polluters)
1-877-952-7277

I've called the RAPP line to report many infractions I've seen. They ALWAYS forward me to DFO. Anything salmon related even in fresh water the RAPP line doesn't seem to care. Sure conservation will do something if they are present and see something first hand but I've never even had a Thank you from the RAPP line.

[RalphH]

Brian Niska is a beek who writes his own headlines to improve his reputation. Before he moved up north I caught him red handed squirting scent on his flies. Now his nickname amongst the terrace guides is no fish Niska. That isn't an individual I would be basing my ethics on

Boy in the dog eat dog world of angling personalities I am glad that I have chosen to fly under the radar and remain a nobody (thanks Rod  ).

Not so Brian Niska who among other things spent years organizing a campaign to convince MOE to ban bait on the Thompson but I am sure the ill will above has nothing to do with that.

[Blood_Orange]

Went to the Stave this afternoon because I figured it'd be quiet... the Fraser and the Chilliwack/Vedder is open, the long weekend means people will be out of town, and it's a little early for peak chum season. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong 

Super busy but a gorgeous day. Cars parked on road from boat launch all the way up just past the park at the top of the hill. Anglers everywhere on the West bank. Water level very low. My fishing buddy and I struck out completely but here are some things I observed today...

Fishing by the numbers:

Snagged fish landed: 4
Snagged fish released: 3
Snagged fish retained: 1

Hooks found: 3
Barbless/crimped hooks: 2
Barbed hooks: 1

Number of illegal Russian roe poaching rings: 0
Number of people speaking a language that could have been Russian: 4

Number of sites covered with illegally dumped, used diapers: 1
Number of used diapers dumped in the forest: ~30