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[leadbelly]

Ran, or walked through all my Stave spots this afternoon after morning yoga. Only thing of interest seen was two fishermen with 20-30 plus foot long rods mounted on spiked in tripods, no reels. Like carp fishing rigs but good for your neighbors koi pond three doors away. Almost no chum yet at least down lower.

[clarki]

In the spirit of harm reduction, I suppose it's best that the disemboweled fish are left on the bank to fertilize the river than taken home and dumped in the garbage. If this behaviour is gonna happen, then it's the best way that it could.

Cammer: I get it that you are a staunch proponent of angler choice and opponent to bait bans. But may I suggest that you learn how to disagree better. Your dismissive, even insulting, manner doesn't represent you well and may even do a disservice to the organizations that you represent.

[Ry the fly guy]

A fly guy says ban bait,   we'll I'll take that for what it's worth, useless rhetoric. If I want fish I can go to superstore hey?? So your telling me you support farming of fish, well done as that's where superstore gets most of their fish. That is brilliant to tell fishermen here they can stop retaining salmon to serve your pretentious needs. That's brilliant posting on a site full of fishermen who retain fish..bait fish and who post pics of retaining fish

haha, once again you are ridicules, why do you assume I support fish farming? I am vehemently against it, however superstore does sell many fish that are sustainably wild caught other then salmon, and since all your worried about is fillin the ol' freezer your in luck because the fish at superstore comes pre-frozen. When did I ever say to stop retaining salmon? As long as its legal eat your heart out, I personally keep a few every year where legal. This is a site full of fishermen who care about fish, and I think most people here want their children to have the same opportunity they were afforded. If you could please explain how my "needs" of wanting a healthy fishery in 40 years are "pretentious" that would be great. And what is your hard-on for bait man? Like really, you do not need bait to catch fish, as you can see from my profile picture I also use gear, however I don't use bait and I still catch fish. Bait has a much higher by-catch rate, and fish love to inhale it making it very difficult to release the non-target species. The right to bait is not in the constituion, and a bait-ban has nothing to do with fish retention. Sad people like you are on this forum trying to sway people into thinking sport fishing has no effect of river health. You know whats even worse then hooking a fish? bonking it over the head after.

And Cammer: As clarki stated, learn how to disagree, all you have done is strawman, at least call me out on things I actualy said.

[Every Day]

Bait ban?? Dude stick to your spinners and your girlfriend and keep your opinions on others choice of fishing to yourself

You're a funny guy Cam.

I happen to use bait all the time - places like the Vedder, Somass... Where it's legal. I have nothing against it at all. In fact, I've even been known to selectively harvest does so that I can stock up on bait. That being said, I'm also not reliant on it, and if everything went bait ban, I'd be fine with it (less work too). I'm efficient in roe chucking, spinner and spoon fishing, jig fishing, and fly fishing. Diversify a bit, and then the idea of a bait ban may not scare you and get you up in arms as much.

I was simply saying what I've seen this year on the somass. It's disgusting. I've had guys snagging beside me, and when asked why, I literally recieved the answer, "This is the only way to get a doe so I can catch more fish properly." I've seen numerous, perfectly chrome females slit open and left behind. Its not for caviar, it's simply abusing the fish to get bait. If you put a bait ban up, then there would be way less of that happening. Simple observation and opinion. At least I've actually provided an argument rather than personal attacks. I'd love to see your defense now for keeping bait use and what positive effects that would have on stocks? The island bait ban hasn't seemed to hurt the fishing here...

Oh yea, also... Kitty's my wife! 

[Ry the fly guy]

You're a funny guy Cam.

 The island bait ban hasn't seemed to hurt the fishing here...

1000x this.

[fisherforever]

A bait ban wouldn't bother me at all, spoons,spinners, jigs and flies work for me. Haven't used bait for years and I catch enough fish for me.

[milo]

A bait ban wouldn't bother me at all, spoons,spinners, jigs and flies work for me. Haven't used bait for years and I catch enough fish for me.

X3
I've banned myself from bait a good while ago.

[bigsnag]

I fly fish 80% of the time.  When the springs and hos are in our local flows,  I have to say that the roe chuckers are consistently the most honest fishermen.  They always hook their fish inside the mouth.

[poper]

The funny thing is we're talking about banning bait,do you think any of the rippers and snaggers ect use bait? NO, so let's ban bait take away the main ways lots of us fish, myself included, 90% of the time for salmon and steelhead, and these other methods keep on going on, lol, like wtf, bait isn't an issue at all on these systems. Let's work on legal ways to fish and try to teach folks the proper way to fish.I know it's passed that point now, but I'll still teach I'll my kids the right way to fish. Cheers, Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

[Noahs Arc]

I honestly can't remember the last time i deep hooked and had a bleeder float fishing rivers for salmon or steelhead.
I can however, on numerous occasions remember bleeders from spoon and spinner fishing.
Lake fishing for trout yes bait causes deep hooking no question.

Let's talk about a fly ban. After all, quite a few fish are snagged this way swinging flies.

[wildmanyeah]

I am not for a bait ban as all it would do is encourage people to floss again.

[Ry the fly guy]

The government can ban whatever they want, I will use whatever technique is still legal and fish ethically as always. But overall if BC was bait banned it would not bother me at all,  you can't stop snaggers but it's easier to enforce bait regs

[RalphH]

I fly fish 80% of the time.  When the springs and hos are in our local flows,  I have to say that the roe chuckers are consistently the most honest fishermen.  They always hook their fish inside the mouth.

Uh tell us another one LOL. I've seen bait anglers snag just about everything that swims. I guess I'll have to take notes.

Say what you want about steelhead and salmon taken on a fly.

However every c&r study relates a simple fact they mortality rates for fly vs bait is that bait produces about 3x the mortality rate plus a higher catch rate and higher repeat captures (fish caught more than once). That adds up to more dead fish.

Let's also add the studies that show that par and smolts that eat roe cured with borax or sulphites often die because both care toxic to small fish

That said I don't favour bait bans in rivers like the V-C, the Chehalis or the Stave. Late season juvenile trout and salmon usually move under cobbles to rocks to over winter and don't feed so there is less worry about harm via bait.

[cammer]

Ridiculous,   try spell checking. And yes I will attack based on your attacks.   Bait ban is an attack on my way of fishing. It's not going to happen here so not to worry. If the stocks on island recover to normal levels again,bait will return there.

[DanL]

As other posters have said chum roe is valued for more than just bait. It has a high potential $$ so bait bans or whatever probably would not have prevented this incident.

It sounds like such a blatant and egregious violation that it's obvious these people could not have cared less what the rules are.

FWIW at least it happened on a popular high-usage system where there are more eyes that might catch this and also care enough about it to call it in. If this going on at the Stave then I hate to think what shenanigans are going on at systems with fewer prying eyes.

As a side note, would it be better to use the province's RAPP # or the DFO ORR # if one were to see something like this?