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[wildmanyeah]

What group will intercept more steelhead and coho on the fraser?

[Dave]

Creel surveys back in the 80 and 90s consistently found more IFS were caught and killed in the Fraser bar fishery than in the Thompson itself.

Interesting.  Do you have any links to substantiate this?

[RalphH]

and that is your usual reply when you don't have a proper answer to my comment..

Hah - there isn't a proper answer because your comment made sense only to twist my observation 180 degrees out of context! Neither am I beholden to offer 'a proper answer' to every brainless twit on the internet.

 

[RalphH]

Interesting.  Do you have any links to substantiate this?

http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/documents/r366/Lewynskyetal1987_1064963736337_09ed671a69f24c2ab5acecf06d03c9d4.pdf

[Dave]

http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/documents/r366/Lewynskyetal1987_1064963736337_09ed671a69f24c2ab5acecf06d03c9d4.pdf

Thanks, a good read, back when the Province actually studied steelhead ... Do you have another link with the corresponding catch from the Thompson?

[RalphH]

Not to hand. IIRC the comparison of steelhead killed in the Fraser Bar fishery vs the Thompson was made in BC Outdoors. The annual Steelhead Harvest Reports are available through the documents portal in some random fashion. The results from the mail in angler reports are often considered to be exaggerated. Certainly by the mid to late 80s wild steelhead in the hundreds were reported as killed. Thompson creel surveys may be available there as well.

[RalphH]

get real, some fish will die after release. The base figure used in Washington for post release mortality is 10%. Similar figures are used in BC.

The big picture here is the extent to which some 'sport' anglers talk out of both sides of their mouths.

"We have to save Thomspon! Closures for everyone else. Fishing as usual for me."

WMY I have little other comment beyond the above. Early in the year, after the IFS petitions were circulated, there were comments that lower Fraser recreation closures would likely be extended & expanded.

As of Oct 1st the Thompson will be closed to all angling. How can the Fraser be excepted?

[Dr. Backlash]

Because the lower Fraser (particularly the tidal portion) is so massive and its so hard for recreational anglers to catch fish (and impossible to catch steelhead) there that it seems unreasonable to ban recreational fishing in the tidal portion of the fraser for the first 3 weeks of October (prime coho season). I don't barfish either. Absolutely there should not be a commercial/native gill net opening, but keep it open for recreational anglers at least in the tidal portion because there are way way less fish caught in this wider/deeper portion of the river than by Hope. The Thompson is much much smaller - like there's no comparison imo

[RalphH]

If you read the report in the link I provided you'd see there is some argument to support an opening below the Mission Bridge  or the Vedder Canal starting Thanksiving or so. However the law and the politics involved don't support that.

The Sport angling community continues to depend upon the wishes of horses they could be riding if everyone else thought as they do.

[wildmanyeah]

hmm...

[poper]

So the bait ban is off on the 29th but you can’t keep hatchery fish in the tidal till the 24? I must be wrong

[fic]

Weird they didn't announce coho opening like last year on September 13, 2017.

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Management measures:

Effective September 4 until September 27, 2018:

- You may not fish for Sockeye salmon.
- You may not fish for coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.

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Effective September 13 until October 6, 2017:

- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- You may not retain coho or pink salmon.
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.

Effective October 7 until December 31, 2017:

- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked only. 
- You may not retain sockeye or pink salmon.

In the tidal Fraser River, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.

[BigCoho]

Weird they didn't announce coho opening like last year on September 13, 2017.


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Management measures:

Effective September 4 until September 27, 2018:

- You may not fish for Sockeye salmon.
- You may not fish for coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.

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Effective September 13 until October 6, 2017:

- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- You may not retain coho or pink salmon.
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.

Effective October 7 until December 31, 2017:

- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked only. 
- You may not retain sockeye or pink salmon.

In the tidal Fraser River, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.

What is the FN# on that?

[firstlight]

Ive never even seen a Steelhead caught below Chilliwack on the Fraser.
Where were these secret Steelhead Bars?
More caught in the lower Fraser than the Thompson.
Now thats funny.

[Dr. Backlash]

Hong from the DFO office in Delta just left a voicemail for me after returning my call and the voicemail I left for him on Friday asking him about not having an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th and he confirmed what I had feared - there will not be an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th.  Sometimes I really wonder if there are any rational people running the show at DFO. DO they seriously think its possible for recreational anglers to catch steelhead in the tidal fraser? Ho Lee Fak!