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[wildmanyeah]

Guess I’m on his ignor list

[Robert_G]

Guess I’m on his ignor list

Trust, me. You'll actually appreciate being on his ignore list....I know I do.

[stsfisher]

Fitting for the topic at hand.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-bureaucrats-express-concern-about-bc-salmon-stock-tracking/?utm_source=Watershed+Watch+Email+List&utm_campaign=c2d8adfac0-SALMON_NEWS_2018_08_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_405944b1b5-c2d8adfac0-460109645&mc_cid=c2d8adfac0&mc_eid=b6af30d9a9

The result, he said, is that DFO is often “guessing” about what returns and spawning might be.

“A lack of data means a lack of good management,”

Wow, sure glad someone has figured it out

[RalphH]

Fitting for the topic at hand.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-bureaucrats-express-concern-about-bc-salmon-stock-tracking/?utm_source=Watershed+Watch+Email+List&utm_campaign=c2d8adfac0-SALMON_NEWS_2018_08_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_405944b1b5-c2d8adfac0-460109645&mc_cid=c2d8adfac0&mc_eid=b6af30d9a9

The result, he said, is that DFO is often “guessing” about what returns and spawning might be.

“A lack of data means a lack of good management,”

Wow, sure glad someone has figured it out

I made related comments in my last post; run estimates are made in the form of broad probability distributions.

The main data points used for chum looks to be the Albion Test fishery.

One also have to consider that like all government operations FOC/DFO has to work within it's allocated resources which are insufficient to meet monitoring requirements which seems to be appreciated by the directors who expressed such concerns in writing;

Area directors wrote that they appreciate that under-resourcing is not simply because of reduced science funding in recent years, but the result of “eroded regional funding” from various sources over the past 15 years.

as noted in the article.

Guess I’m on his ignor list

Not you. Thanks for your interesting observations and comments. Particularly this one:

Sportsfishing groups were largely silencing there members over this is. They would say things like "yes we have seen this happen but this is only done by a few bad apples and we have seen the beach seine fisheries and they are [largely]selective. I brought this issue up before with the Fraser river peacekeepers and SFAC and that was pretty much what I was told.

In other words the various sport fishing groups acknowledged the beach seine operations operate as intended with some exceptions Recall I said much the same and people who see these exceptions should report them.

[stsfisher]

I made related comments in my last post; run estimates are made in the form of broad probability distributions.

Well I suppose you are ahead of the curve as usual Ralph............

[Blood_Orange]

DFO lost so much in the way of funding during the Harper years it seems almost cruel to blame the department for not being able to do its job well now. There were two rounds of deep cuts, about 4 years apart that ripped apart the workforce and, as a bonus, decimated morale. They now do the best they can but, without proper funding, it's become much more difficult. I hate to see people blame the effect and not the cause 

[RalphH]

Well I suppose you are ahead of the curve as usual Ralph............

...there is a better than 50% probability I am ahead of the curve. There is an 80% probability that I am somewhere between 20% behind the curve and 75% ahead of it, plus or minus 5%, 19 times out of 20.

There that's all clear now!

Funding cuts to DFO started to happen during the Chretien years. The salmon resource, at least as a commercial operation, is being managed as a sunset industry. They don't expect it to last. It doesn't pay for the public cost of it's management and maintenance.

[poper]

Ralph is this your favourite thread?

[wildmanyeah]

Funding cuts to DFO started to happen during the Chretien years. The salmon resource, at least as a commercial operation, is being managed as a sunset industry. They don't expect it to last. It doesn't pay for the public cost of it's management and maintenance.

DFO lost so much in the way of funding during the Harper years it seems almost cruel to blame the department for not being able to do its job well now. There were two rounds of deep cuts, about 4 years apart that ripped apart the workforce and, as a bonus, decimated morale. They now do the best they can but, without proper funding, it's become much more difficult. I hate to see people blame the effect and not the cause 

Still happening today more cuts coming....

[Hike_and_fish]

I have to agree with RalpH on this. It does seem like they are managing a sunset industry. It sure seems like they operate with that in mind.

[fic]

Seems like the Chum Collapse of 2018 is not only in the Fraser.  Blob killed the chums maybe, like they did to the pinks and coho last year?

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 FN1169-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Mid Vancouver Island Chum Update - October 19, 2018


Escapement estimates to date are as follows: 

Puntledge River, October 17 - 7,000 chum - Target Escapement 60,000 
Big Qualicum River, October 17 - 32 chum - Target Escapement 85,000
Little Qualicum River, October 16 - 563 chum - Target Escapement 85,000

At this time no commercial fishing opportunities are anticipated in the
upcoming week as the observed escapement needs to be at least 65% of the target
before fisheries will be considered.

Areas 17, 18, and 19

Escapement estimates to date are as follows:

Nanaimo River, October 17 - 8,200 - Target Escapement 40,000
Chemainus River, October 11 - 2,500 - Target Escapement 50,000
Cowichan River, October 17 - 9,800 - Target Escapement 160,000
Goldstream River, October 17 - 32 - Target Escapement 15,000

[wildmanyeah]

This Is sure a funny looking blob, when I see shot like this sure makes you wonder about ocean survival rates

http://www.ktva.com/story/38490430/80-tons-of-salmon-seized-from-chinese-fishing-vessel

[wildmanyeah]

ategory(s): ABORIGINAL - Salmon: Economic Opportunities
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll
Subject: FN1179-Salmon - Fraser River Chum Update - October 22, 2018

In-season estimates of abundance for Fraser River Chum are based on catch
information provided by the Albion test fishery. Using Albion test fishery data
through October 21, the current median estimate for the terminal Fraser River
Chum return is 769,000 Chum, with a 50% migration date of October 18. There is
an 80% probability that the run is between 659,000 and 894,000, and a 36%
probability that the run will exceed the escapement goal of 800,000. 

The current run size is not sufficient to allow for commercial or recreational
opportunities in the Fraser River.
 
Opportunities to harvest Chum salmon will be constrained by management
objectives for Interior Fraser steelhead, which is a stock of concern presently
co-migrating in the Fraser River. Harvest opportunities in all fisheries will
be planned to minimize impacts on these stocks, as outlined in the 2018 South
Coast Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management Plan (IFMP). Fishers are required
to take every measure possible to ensure that their fishing activities avoid
impacts on steelhead. Any steelhead encountered must be released with the least
possible harm.   

While no additional in-season updates are planned at this time, we will
continue to closely monitor Chum catch at the Albion test fishery over the
coming days. Should new data indicate the need to update the current run size
and timing estimate, additional updates will be provided.


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Contact the nearest Fisheries and Oceans Canada office or visit our website at
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca.
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1179
Sent October 22, 2018 at 1616

[Sage2106]

https://youtu.be/W1GewiwBG5c
And we wonder whats happening to our salmon?

[Fish Assassin]

A lot of DFO's regulations doesn't make any sense.