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[RalphH]

Stop watching CBC Ralph. Even these guys who are considered MSM say 29% last year.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/flu-vaccine-had-another-disappointing-year-will-this-year-be-different

When you actually get into the real science and factual information.....it goes WELL below that though.

Oh...and I've never had the flu shot and only once had a mild case of Influenza since I turned 16. That was many years ago.

Around 70% of people in Canada who get the flu shot are over 65 and have reduced immune systems which translates to a producing a lesser amount of anti-bodies when they receive the vaccine. Studies conducted over a series of decades , not just last year, indicate the effectiveness is in the range of 70% for children and adults under 65.


I did not get those number from CBC they come from a study published in the Lancet; https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(11)70295-X/fulltext...


Where you cherry pick your numbers I have no idea and don't care. However it is true the effectiveness of the vaccine has declined in recent years and some years they miss the virus that causes the main outbreak. One has to remember influenza is a very large group of virus not just a few and the vaccine has to be custom made for the expectations of every year. New vaccines targeted higher risk patient profiles are available.

WMY - the nurses Union grieved the vaccine decision because it requires their members to get a vaccine if they want to or not.  Most employers simply make it available for free where the work place suggests that be so.  Otherwise there was no argument about the effectiveness of the vaccine.

[Roderick]

You do realize that Trudeau has full control over the Canadian Media?

Better get your tin foil hat on then.

[Roderick]

Influenza virus mutates much faster then SARS-CoV2 (causes covid-19).  By the time they actually make the flu vaccine, the virus has already mutated.  They're always fighting the last war.  The vaccine you get this year is actually against last years virus.


The part of SARS-CoV2 they are targeting with the vaccine, the spike that sticks out, barely mutates, if at all.  Thus the RNA and single protein vaccines in development should be effective for quite some time.

[RalphH]

Actually they sample virus and cases in Asia during the flu season there so it is more like a 6 to 9 month turnaround. There are many more strains of flu and as of right now 1 Covid-19 virus.

[Robert_G]

However it is true the effectiveness of the vaccine has declined in recent years and some years they miss the virus that causes the main outbreak. One has to remember influenza is a very large group of virus not just a few and the vaccine has to be custom made for the expectations of every year. New vaccines targeted higher risk patient profiles are available.

There you go....now you're understanding how it works. When you miss the main virus, hitting 70% is a pipe dream.....even 7% is a stretch when you miss the main outbreak.

[Robert_G]

The part of SARS-CoV2 they are targeting with the vaccine, the spike that sticks out, barely mutates, if at all.  Thus the RNA and single protein vaccines in development should be effective for quite some time.

Explain to me this. It's called Covid-19 because the Corona Virus has been around for years. The spike that sticks out that you speak of is one of the common characteristics of the corona virus through the years. If they didn't find a way to isolate and vaccinate against that particular spike with the last several versions of the virus over the years, what makes you think they will be able to isolate the spike this time and produce a viable vaccine?

This first link says 33 mutations so far
https://www.rt.com/news/486425-covid-19-mutations-deadlier-strains/

This link describes 3 DISTINCT types of Covid 19 but is already over 2 weeks old
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/coronavirus-mutated-three-distinct-strains-spread-across-world-12536852/

This link is from today and says around 30 mutations
https://www.hospimedica.com/covid-19/articles/294781982/coronavirus-could-have-mutated-into-more-than-30-deadlier-strains-finds-study.html

[bigblockfox]

Considering Canada shipped just about all we had to China in Feb....why would Drumpf give us anymore? Trudeau is known worldwide as a laughing stock and completely incompetent. For those who disagree, my challenge to you is read some Canadian new stories that are published in other countries. They have been laughing at us since he got elected the first time.

thought trudeau was the laughing stock of the world? i guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTPOlruyDk

[Robert_G]

thought trudeau was the laughing stock of the world? i guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTPOlruyDk

Already proven as false news and totally taken out of context.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-tell-people-to-inject-themselves-with-disinfectant-or-drink-bleach

[DanL]

"Formaldehyde is toxic and potentially lethal in high doses. However, it is present in such small amounts in a flu vaccination that it is harmless."

So let me get this straight...they admit it's toxic and potentially lethal in high doses, but it's ALSO harmless at the same time....Sorry....common sense red flag is kicking in again.

You better recalibrate your 'common sense flag', because yes, thats exactly what they are saying and there's nothing paradoxical about that. Here are a few other things known to be toxic at high concentrations and safe at low levels:

iron, zinc, copper, vitamin-C, alcohol, caffeine, aspirin, salt, water

The dose is the poison, as they say.

There may be some substances for which there is possibly no 'safe' concentration. Formaldehyde is likely not one, because your body produces (and metabolizes) it all the time as part of it's normal physiological process. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine is far less than what's normally circulating in your blood. Formaldehyde is certainly linked to some serious health effects at sufficiently high doses but not at remotely close to the amount present in a vaccine.

If you are worried about it so much, maybe research what foods naturally contain formaldehyde, and compare to how much is in a vaccine.

[bigblockfox]

Already proven as false news and totally taken out of context.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-tell-people-to-inject-themselves-with-disinfectant-or-drink-bleach

a right wing propaganda website said it was fake news. no way. if this is where your getting your news from, that explains alot.

if you actually took the time to watch my link, you could see actually world governments having to tell there citizens not to do what he says. those weren't actors lol.

than you think, nope, ben shaprio says its fake news so it must be true since he is the editor in chief of the daily wire. o man were in trouble folks.

[Robert_G]

a right wing propaganda website said it was fake news. no way. if this is where your getting your news from, that explains alot.

if you actually took the time to watch my link, you could see actually world governments having to tell there citizens not to do what he says. those weren't actors lol.

than you think, nope, ben shaprio says its fake news so it must be true since he is the editor in chief of the daily wire. o man were in trouble folks.

You should see him in action. Ben Shaprio debates lefties like those in your youtube video and utterly destroys them with facts and evidence......not feelings and ideas.
He's also not the only site that says it's fake news. Trump was totally taken out of context although I agree he should of just kept his mouth shut this particular time.

[Robert_G]

You better recalibrate your 'common sense flag', because yes, thats exactly what they are saying and there's nothing paradoxical about that. Here are a few other things known to be toxic at high concentrations and safe at low levels:

iron, zinc, copper, vitamin-C, alcohol, caffeine, aspirin, salt, water

The dose is the poison, as they say.

There may be some substances for which there is possibly no 'safe' concentration. Formaldehyde is likely not one, because your body produces (and metabolizes) it all the time as part of it's normal physiological process. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine is far less than what's normally circulating in your blood. Formaldehyde is certainly linked to some serious health effects at sufficiently high doses but not at remotely close to the amount present in a vaccine.

If you are worried about it so much, maybe research what foods naturally contain formaldehyde, and compare to how much is in a vaccine.

This isn't news to me, but the Formaldehyde in the flu shot isn't naturally occurring. Its synthetic....same reason street drugs are so much more dangerous than they used to be. There is a lot of inaccuracy in synthetic drugs. Look how many people OD on bad batches. And just because it comes from a pharmacy doesn't mean its good for you either...and it doesn't mean there isn't risk.

[bigblockfox]

You should see him in action. Ben Shaprio debates lefties like those in your youtube video and utterly destroys them with facts and evidence......not feelings and ideas.
He's also not the only site that says it's fake news. Drumpf was totally taken out of context although I agree he should of just kept his mouth shut this particular time.

you mean this ben shipiro. ya hes a rock star all right. "we want small government but we want government to get between a woman and her doctor". before you say fake news the person interviewing him is andrew neilis, a conservative host on the bbc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

trump is hard to defend isnt he? he definitely needs to keep his mouth shut. could you imagine being his press secretary or is lawyer. o wait, hes been through 3 press secretaries and a least one lawyer who is in federal prison like all the rest of the cronies that got him elected.

this is where you deflect and say how bad trudeau and hillary are. i will save you the time.

[Roderick]

Explain to me this. It's called Covid-19 because the Corona Virus has been around for years.

Yes corona viruses cause the common cold too. They are a different type of corona virus with a different spike... with no widely available vaccine. 

The spike that sticks out that you speak of is one of the common characteristics of the corona virus through the years. If they didn't find a way to isolate and vaccinate against that particular spike with the last several versions of the virus over the years, what makes you think they will be able to isolate the spike this time and produce a viable vaccine?

The spike might look the same in pictures but really it's different.  The closest one causes the original SARS... still no widely available vaccine for that either. Good thing we don't need it. 

This first link says 33 mutations so far
https://www.rt.com/news/486425-covid-19-mutations-deadlier-strains/

This link describes 3 DISTINCT types of Covid 19 but is already over 2 weeks old
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/coronavirus-mutated-three-distinct-strains-spread-across-world-12536852/

This link is from today and says around 30 mutations
https://www.hospimedica.com/covid-19/articles/294781982/coronavirus-could-have-mutated-into-more-than-30-deadlier-strains-finds-study.html

Yes it mutates, but because the polymerase has a proofreading function (which influenza virus does not have), it mutates slowly.  With influenza, virtually every single viral particle in an infected person's body has a mutation.  That's at least billions of mutations per person.  With SARS CoV2 you might find a handfull of mutations in a single patient, most of which will be loss of function and less deadly.  In the last link the operative word in the link is "could". They really don't know if the mutations are more deadly.  As a general thing, 99% of mutations are loss of function and less deadly or completely non-functional.   

The spike protein of SARS CoV2 evolved (by mutating) to attach to a specific protein on the surface of our cells.  It seems like almost any change in the binding region of the spike causes loss of function.  This makes it an obvious target for a vaccine. 

Yes it's possible, even probable, that there will be mutations in the spike binding region in the future. But it will be slow and hopefully vaccine development will keep up. 

[Robert_G]

But it will be slow and hopefully vaccine development will keep up.

Hopefully.....
You do know that Dr. Tam has been wrong with every prediction she's made so far. I don't like depending on 'hopefully'