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[arimaBOATER]

You two are so ignorant you both make me sick reading your bible slanted BS

Using the bible to justify the fact that you condone killing... because it's not murder? .....pull your head out of your ***

A large percentage of drug addiction comes from having been abused mentally and sexually as a child.
Imagine how many drug addictions and suicides the church has caused!!

You think all those kids that have been diddled by Priests have stable mental health now? You think they can control how they act out, drugs, abuse etc...

How about all the Native kids, whole families,  that had their lives destroyed by the  church!

Take that shyte rag of a book and stick it where the sun don't shine.

OUCH !
You are throwing lots of darts....
Drug addicts taking over big parts of cities....poo at the storefronts...robbing ...so do we baby people and as Robert stated: put band aids  on the problem.
I like his ideas.....give the druggie a choice....go to jail for a year OR 24/7 365 drug treatment facility.
Pushers get jail....both get 3 strikes and your out.
Keep selling or keep using hard drugs and get arrested 3 x ...then ya serve a longer time...
Only way to clean up the people / and bring peace to the streets.

Left to roam about...and light slap on the wrists for selling or using....our cities will have blocks and blocks of drugged people who harm themselves, harm others, plus rob ...smash car windows etc...

Get them off the street ...with food / bed ....which jail or treatment centre will give them.
Selling or using hard drugs...
1 year....then 5 yrs ...if caught selling for 3rd time 10 yrs min.

No 1/3 time off either for good behaviour.
If they act up in jail/ prison add jail time...

I would not want to have the death penalty for pushers/ or drug addicts...
Just did say there are countries that go that route.

We like to zero in on the priests who did this and that to kids or what the church did to natives...
Focus ...so much on one group we made it look like a mt.

Dentists doctors teachers next dr neighbours relatives on and on have abused kids....sexual abuse is out there and even dads towards daughters ...but we sweep it under the rug...no media focus.
Media makes it look like an ant hill.
Church did it...a mt !!!

Am I condoning what some priests or what the church has done  ?
No ...sin is sin.
My guess is many priests who have fondled kids etc...never ever had a conversion experience.
They have lots of religious info in the brain but are they truly seeking God from their heart everyday ...
No.

We all know what is right and wrong...conscience.
Some decide to do wrong.

But you do not believe in God or think the Holy Bible is real of important.
With all the wrong in the world you should be blaming the....."Prince of darkness" on how he tricked our 1st parents to disobey God thus good and evil knowledge /curse / sin/ entered the human race and creation itself. You should be pissed at satan.

Word does tell us we have a choice.
Get to know God via prayer and ask for mercy....get salvation and do His will.
Or we can reject God as a fairy tale and never seek Him ...or pray to Him to find out if He exists.

Years ago the idea was to teach natives English ...and then have all natives to be like every other person in Canada...get a career , or job they like ...and we all contribute...pay taxes...
No special interest or treatment.
Well did it work? No.  It was a gov. idea ..not only a church idea.
Gov. wanted natives to have tools to function anywhere's in Canada...and not just isolate on reservations.

Lots of mistakes made in the 1930s 40s 50s so on...not only residential schools but also in mental institutions and juvenile detention centres and prisons....so on.
Again only does the media focus on the church.

As for natives many many are trying to better themselves with education / good jobs...and seeing they can achieve and contribute. But my heart goes out to natives who are shy...as they really feel lost many times....there may be violence or sexual abuse....alcohol within the home.
Suicide rate are quite high.
If they only would pray to Jesus and encounter His Holy Spirit. The Truth will set so person free.

The church too hopefully can weed out the bad pastors / priests...more so than in the past.
But as long as the devil demons and sin are in this world ...and as water flows down hill ...everyday evil thoughts words and actions are done...and there will be victims.
God is the world's only hope and answer.
Sinners sin because we are all sinners...
Only God in our life can literally stop sin power from controlling / dominating our life.
When Christ Spirit comes into a person...old things pass away...and the person becomes literally a new person inside. 

[bigblockfox]

had a few of my close buddies over tonight. haven't seen them in a while. had a few drinks. micro dosed on mushrooms, and all the emotions came out. was unbelievable. strong guys that you think have all their cupcakes figured out but even the strongest among us need a shoulder to cry on once in a while. im glad i could be there for them.

what im trying to say is without the micro dose i dont think they would have brought it to the surface. was healthy to get it off their chest. sometimes we think we have it all figured out, but then life kicks you in the balls. most people keep it bottle in but the mushrooms brought it out. theirs a reason why some of these natural drugs have been used for thousands of years and i saw the value in them tonight.

 

[Spoonman]

.................I went way too far with this. I'm disappointed in myself and again....I need to use more discretion at times...and perhaps on days like this just not post at all.

.........please print this out and tape to your computer and let it become your mantra....and could you and a-boater please check your calendars.....it is 2020 not 1820......

[fishtruck]

Perhaps we can take a look at what has happened in the past four years. Those that have strong religious leanings  think we've all gone too far, are now fairly firm in their beliefs everything is getting back to where they should be.
How has that turned out so far?
There's more divisiveness now then ever before, Nationalism, as such, has enable hatred, racism and most surprisingly, made untruths mainstream and legitimate.
I fear if we keep at this pace, will there be a new inquisition? Or more McCarthyism?
These two pseudo sovereign citizens  are truly worrying

[coldfinger]

But she still said it.

This is where you lose me. You bypass the real problem and go for the dirty band aid. You can deny it all you want. Your exact quote here is nothing more than a dirty band aid solution.
The words "responsibility" and "drug addict" don't coexist together. A drug addict will say any lie to anyone to get that next fix. That next fix controls every aspect of his or her being. There is literally zero logical reasoning in that person when they are coming down and need that next fix. Dare I say that they are teetering the edge of not even being human?
Again....it shows you can't get past the dirty band aid and see that a real solution is needed.

You are correct though that this particular statement of hers didn't require tax payer dollars.....nice for a change.

I don't disagree with that, but maybe if we weren't wasting money on safe injection centers…...maybe instead of handing welfare checks out to drug addicts who in turn hand their welfare check over to drug dealers.....maybe that money could instead be used for rehab. When it comes to drug addicts....the end recipient of their welfare check (paid for by taxpayers) is the drug dealers....period. That needs to stop.

I've heard and read conflicting information on Rehab facilities. One source says there isn't enough Rehab....another says the ones we have are quite often empty so they don't open up more.
Which one is it, because I've heard both arguments equally.

I can't say one way or another for the 90% success rate, but being involved with churches that do it, I can tell you that there is some phenomenal success with it....and the one's who do quit, usually quit for life (both drugs and/or alcohol). That's the power of God when someone asks Him for it. AA type organizations can't even touch that level of success.

How about thinking of safe injection sites as a way of keeping used sharps off the streets, as they are properly disposed of after use in those facilities.  A clean secure supply of drugs, medicine, required for those inflicted with an addiction disease. Would go along way to removing the criminal aspect of things. Any monies exchanged would go back in gov coffers and and not organized crime. Unless you consider the government as organized  or criminal...( But that's for another discussion.)
These steps along with establishing and ensuring "a livable wage" will go along way to reducing the social ills of a tragic disease. Addictions are just that , not a choice, but a tragic disease. As you mention RG, drug addicts needing there next fix, don't choose to degrade themselves and others , they are forced to by the physical affects of their disease of addiction. It's not brain surgery, Portugal has figured it out. Expecting religious dogma to solve a physical disease, or punishment to solve a physical addiction is just cruel and inhumane. 
my2cents

[Hike_and_fish]

How about thinking of safe injection sites as a way of keeping used sharps off the streets, as they are properly disposed of after use in those facilities.  A clean secure supply of drugs, medicine, required for those inflicted with an addiction disease. Would go along way to removing the criminal aspect of things. Any monies exchanged would go back in gov coffers and and not organized crime. Unless you consider the government as organized  or criminal...( But that's for another discussion.)
These steps along with establishing and ensuring "a livable wage" will go along way to reducing the social ills of a tragic disease. Addictions are just that , not a choice, but a tragic disease. As you mention RG, drug addicts needing there next fix, don't choose to degrade themselves and others , they are forced to by the physical affects of their disease of addiction. It's not brain surgery, Portugal has figured it out. Expecting religious dogma to solve a physical disease, or punishment to solve a physical addiction is just cruel and inhumane. 
my2cents

There has been safe injection sites in Vancouver for over a decade and the amount of dirty needles on the street has increased. They don't work. If anything this path of enabling users has gone sideways. Never before has modern society bent over backwards for these people in an attempt to make things better but its backfired. Crime is up, drug use is up, there are more illegal drugs on the atreets and gang crime has increased. Being liberal with crime, drugs and gangs does not work. We have over 20 years of proof that it doesn't work. What does work is chopping hands off. Its worked for a very long time in the middle east. You steel, chop a hand off. First degree murder, death sentence. In possession of an illegal firearm, life in prison, you deal deadly drugs, life in prison. Eventually people get the msg.

[GordJ]

As someone who has been involved with a couple of addicts over the last 20 years I can say with some authority that faith based treatments and a couple of other methods are not very effective at treating addictions. You cannot pray away addiction anymore than you can pray away the gay. There are a myriad of problems at the root of addiction and to think that there is a “cure” is dreaming. One of my friends father told me that he came home one day and found his 13 year old son in his bedroom chugging on a vodka bottle, good family that was heavily involved in the kids sports, camped and vacationed together, solid relationship in a multi generational family with a healthy religious background but the kid was never comfortable in his own skin up to the day he o.d.ed. There is no accurate stats on how effective treatment is and if you ask anybody that has had treatment where they got their drugs after a “slip” they will tell you that it was someone they met in treatment.
The only thing I have learned is that the more I learn about addiction, the less I know.
And to say that crime is up is false, stats prove that, just like saying that cutting off hands was effective in stopping crime. Show me some evidence that harsher penalties stop crime, Canadians have been given the death penalty in Texas so it didn’t work there. The penalties for most crimes are harsher in the States but they are world leaders in incarceration and in crimes committed.

[arimaBOATER]

There has been safe injection sites in Vancouver for over a decade and the amount of dirty needles on the street has increased. They don't work. If anything this path of enabling users has gone sideways. Never before has modern society bent over backwards for these people in an attempt to make things better but its backfired. Crime is up, drug use is up, there are more illegal drugs on the atreets and gang crime has increased. Being liberal with crime, drugs and gangs does not work. We have over 20 years of proof that it doesn't work. What does work is chopping hands off. Its worked for a very long time in the middle east. You steel, chop a hand off. First degree murder, death sentence. In possession of an illegal firearm, life in prison, you deal deadly drugs, life in prison. Eventually people get the msg.

Very strict ....
But how is it the members who attack Christians if we mention more strict measures should be taken...and 10 posts attack our stand....you say it....and you did not get any attacks from anyone ?
 
Well one by GordJ

Go to unshakled.org Gord and hear 100s of testimonies of ex addicts who found God.
Faith does make a major dif. if truly they get zapped by God.
Zapped by God meaning they have a real meeting /encounter with God.
If God is just a word to you then "this encounter" is a pie in the sky to you.
You cannot understand it.
But ya can or it's possible.

[Robert_G]

How about thinking of safe injection sites as a way of keeping used sharps off the streets, as they are properly disposed of after use in those facilities.  A clean secure supply of drugs, medicine, required for those inflicted with an addiction disease. Would go along way to removing the criminal aspect of things. Any monies exchanged would go back in gov coffers and and not organized crime. Unless you consider the government as organized  or criminal...( But that's for another discussion.)
These steps along with establishing and ensuring "a livable wage" will go along way to reducing the social ills of a tragic disease. Addictions are just that , not a choice, but a tragic disease. As you mention RG, drug addicts needing there next fix, don't choose to degrade themselves and others , they are forced to by the physical affects of their disease of addiction. It's not brain surgery, Portugal has figured it out. Expecting religious dogma to solve a physical disease, or punishment to solve a physical addiction is just cruel and inhumane. 
my2cents

Yeah...I'm going to agree with Hike_and_fish on this one. You're kidding yourself if you think there are less needles on the streets. Drug addicts don't care about littering....never have never will...regardless of whether there are safe injection sites or not.

And as for Portugal...they haven't figured anything out.

These steps along with establishing and ensuring "a livable wage" will go along way to reducing the social ills of a tragic disease.

Every time someone says or I hear on the news the term 'livable wage for everyone', I want to puke.
I took Economics in college. Anyone who knows what the progressive left's idea and implementation of a 'livable wage' actually entails..... has NEVER taken Economics 101. It is financially impossible to do. For the government to hand out that type of money every month is so irresponsible. On May 20th 2020, the Liberal government gave an extra 300 dollars for each child on the monthly tax credit to help with Covid related financial woes.  I want you to read this carefully. ONE MONTH OF THIS COST TAXPAYERS OVER 2 BILLION DOLLARS.

Think about that. 300 dollars is much less than what a livable wage would be (according to what progressive leftists have suggested)...Some economists have estimated that the cost of an automatic 'livable wage' could easily hit 100 BILLION per year. Please tell me where that money is going to come from? Are you going to pay for it. I sure don't want to. I don't get up at 6AM and go to work so others can sit home and do their street drugs while their 'livable wage' gets deducted off my paycheck. That goes BEYOND socialism.....that's called STEALING.

As someone who has been involved with a couple of addicts over the last 20 years I can say with some authority that faith based treatments and a couple of other methods are not very effective at treating addictions. You cannot pray away addiction anymore than you can pray away the gay. There are a myriad of problems at the root of addiction and to think that there is a “cure” is dreaming. One of my friends father told me that he came home one day and found his 13 year old son in his bedroom chugging on a vodka bottle, good family that was heavily involved in the kids sports, camped and vacationed together, solid relationship in a multi generational family with a healthy religious background but the kid was never comfortable in his own skin up to the day he o.d.ed. There is no accurate stats on how effective treatment is and if you ask anybody that has had treatment where they got their drugs after a “slip” they will tell you that it was someone they met in treatment.
The only thing I have learned is that the more I learn about addiction, the less I know.

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is nothing more than targeted hate at Christianity coming from you.
I have been directly and indirectly involved in faith based healing. I have heard countless testimonies of former drug addicts who found God and never touched drugs again. Some of them 20 years or more clean. Once they found God....their last hit was done and over.
As for prayer.....again.....you have zero idea what you are talking about. You've never experienced answered prayer, so you know nothing about it. Don't tell us who have experienced answered prayer that we were dreaming it all up. I know a miracle when I see one.

[cutthroat22]

1000

[GordJ]

F off with the “go to” garbage. I’ve lived and worked with people who have struggled and for you to suggest that some group of zealots have had success is insulting. I can go to one of your faith healer sites that “prove” that they can heal people but apparently those are the ones waiting for Covid to pass so that they can get back to their business of healing people. Have any of your “faith based” healers ever cured an amputee?
Why do you think that because you have a belief in your god that you are somehow superior to me? I can understand a lot of complex ideas and being religious does not make you any wiser than me, it just means that your belief system (which I and a lot of others have examined and rejected) incites you to pronounce your supposed superiority over me constantly. I’m getting tired of it.
God is a word just like Buddha, Mohamed, Zeus or Odin. They are as important to me as all the other fairies, leprechauns or gremlins. I’m not interested in hearing your views on my beliefs, or in fact, anyone else’s. I’m getting tired of reading the daily ramblings that are meant to lead me to a better path because my belief system has me on a path that I choose to follow. I wish you could keep your proselytizing to your self and stick to non religious posts.

[coldfinger]

There has been safe injection sites in Vancouver for over a decade and the amount of dirty needles on the street has increased. They don't work. If anything this path of enabling users has gone sideways. Never before has modern society bent over backwards for these people in an attempt to make things better but its backfired. Crime is up, drug use is up, there are more illegal drugs on the atreets and gang crime has increased. Being liberal with crime, drugs and gangs does not work. We have over 20 years of proof that it doesn't work. What does work is chopping hands off. Its worked for a very long time in the middle east. You steel, chop a hand off. First degree murder, death sentence. In possession of an illegal firearm, life in prison, you deal deadly drugs, life in prison. Eventually people get the msg.

You may be mistaking needle exchange programs for the increase in discarded sharps. By their very " exchange" nature, I'm not convinced they are not the primary source. Most of what you find discarded are, I believe, stolen from clinics and or other illegal sources. The same thing with the safe injection sites... they dispose after use...thus "Safe".
 The increase in injection drug use has been due to the explosion of legal Opioid Prescriptions, Thus addicts were formed ,  then the subsequent drying up of the sources , (only when society realized they were been poisoned, and Big Pharma got sued). Thus an explosion of illicit drug users . Most unsafe and out of control, dangerous to everyone, a situation afflicting many undeserving souls that actually deserve a little compassion instead of your purposed amputation.
As for the rest of your reply...well the rest is not really worthy of response.

[RalphH]

Safe injection sites are not intended to get drug use off the streets or to reduce dirty needle litter.

It's only purpose is to help users who want to reduce the risk of IV drug use.

I know this is a issue involving big controversy and disagreement and drug use is becoming an increasing burden on the community at large.

However I feel very strongly the cause of almost all the problems is the prohibition model. Maintaining these sort drugs illegal has created enormous social costs and huge profit opportunities for organized crime. There is almost no evidence that more laws and harder justice sanctions against users will improve the situation. If you look at the US where in most jurisdictions they are 'tougher', the problems are far worse.

[big_fish]

Somebody: “I have been involved in cancer research”

Robert G: “You have no idea what you’re talking about. BTW, God is great!”

🤣🤣🤣

Looks like lots of people are being converted! 😆

What a pathetic life A S S boater and Roberto must have. Your happiness is just too overwhelming haha

[4x4]

Imo,
Gord J is right. You are wrong on this one Robert.