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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2020, 11:28:51 AM »

At Bill Blair's direction, the RCMP have been quietly adding firearms to the banned list. As of yesterday, that included 255 target rifles and even bolt action shotguns. Slippery Slope not real? Riiiiight!   ::)

More Guns Banned, FRT Records Deleted

Earlier today we discovered, by way of the RCMP Verifier’s portal to a live-updated version of the Firearms Reference Table, that a number of firearms have been moved to the Prohibited class as variants of the AR-15. These firearms include the Typhoon F12 shotgun, a bolt-action shotgun, a number of Alberta Tactical Rifle’s formerly non-restricted rifles, and the Maccabee Defense SLR-Multi rifle. We do not know if there have been further prohibitions, or if there will be.

These prohibitions are being made under the legal authority granted by the OIC announced May 1st, specifically Section 87, which reads: “The firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.” In other words, they are considering these firearms variants of the AR-15, and are prohibiting them as a result.

The problem with that is that the RCMP’s own documentation prior to this specifically included various comments that would disallow this action. For example, the Maccabee Defense SLR’s former FRT entry includes a section for Canadian Law Comments that reads as follows: “This firearm design is derived from an amalgamation of several different firearm designs and does not trace its design lineage directly or uniquely to a “prohibited” or a “restricted” firearm found in the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code.”

https://calibremag.ca/more-guns-banned-frt-records-deleted/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2020, 11:40:22 AM »

For any who might be inclined to look where we are headed, I'd suggest a quick read of a letter from someone Trudeau appointed to his Firearms Committee to Bill Blair. The one that left in disgust when things were not rolling fast enough for her...

Recommendations concerning the ban on assault weapons and other measures being considered

http://polysesouvient.ca/Documents/MAIL_20_05_11_Letter_BillBlair_Recommendations_ENG.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1JAI3WOg1rzaKBgjHntxSPCLAPEN_ZjPNum56E_qTrBouu0TXzcXWpIAw
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2020, 11:03:00 AM »

Alberta Game Warden Association
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On May 1, 2020, Prime Minister Trudeau and the Liberal government implemented a prohibition of over 1500 firearms through an Order in Council (OIC).

The Alberta Game Warden Association (AGWA) wishes to clearly state that they oppose the OIC Firearms Ban and believes that any such issues should be taken through the democratic processes which our officials have been elected and sworn to uphold.

The Alberta Game Warden Association consists of Fish and Wildlife officers who strive to conserve the natural resources of Alberta by ensuring compliance with resource related activities such as hunting, trapping and fishing and to provide public safety by managing dangerous wildlife. AGWA believes it is critically important to show support for their stakeholders, specifically lawful firearms owners in the hunting, trapping, sport competition/target shooting and ranching community.

The OIC Firearm Ban lacks evidence-based decision making as shown in the following paragraphs.

The OIC claimed to be banning Military Grade Assault Weapons. That fundamental premise of the OIC is flawed as Military Grade Assault Weapons refers to fully automatic firearms with high capacity magazines, both of which were already prohibited in Canada in 1977 and 1992 respectively. None of the firearms that were banned are capable of firing in fully automatic mode (one depression of the trigger allowing for continuous firing) or legally able to contain more than five rounds in the magazine.

The Federal Liberal OIC further states that none of the firearms banned are commonly used for sporting or hunting purposes. However, the restricted firearms that are now prohibited, have been used for decades for sporting and competition purposes and were licensed by the Federal government for this very purpose. The non-restricted firearms that were banned under the OIC are common hunting rifles for both predators and large game animals. This was demonstrated by the fact that an exemption was included in the OIC allowing Indigenous people to continue to hunt for subsistence purposes with these very same firearms.

In addition to banning 1,500 firearms by specific make and model, the firearm ban includes the banning of firearms with a bore of 20 mm or more. Most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns with a removable choke have a bore of 20 mm or more, and would therefore be banned under the new regulations imposed. The intent of making these firearms may not be there at this moment. However, we believe that this oversight is a key example why this issue should have gone through the Parliamentary process. Instead, the lawful outdoor community members such as upland bird hunters or waterfowler’s have become criminals for possession of certain shotguns.

Statistics Canada figures show licenced gun owners are among the least likely citizens to commit a violent crime. New public safety measures should target the people responsible for criminal activity, tighten bail release conditions and address the socio-economic environments that give rise to violent life styles. Criminals who have illegally obtained firearms will not be impacted by this confiscation regime.

The Vancouver City Police Chief, who is the head of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, was asked in 2019 whether he felt Canada needed further gun controls. He said, “Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required. The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They’re very strict.”

The Alberta Game Warden Association urges the Federal Liberal Party to repeal the OIC Firearm Ban immediately to ensure Canadian citizens can continue to use these firearms responsibly and not face criminal prosecution for possessing lawfully acquired property. Limited government resources should be focused on taking action against the root causes of violent crime, such as gang violence, firearms obtained illegally or those which are illegally smuggled into Canada.
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2020, 12:33:49 PM »

Those who want total ban on handguns lack understanding of firearm sports

Responsible and legal firearm owners do not carry firearms outside of legally permitted areas.

We do not threaten the safety of citizens, nor the efficiency of police work.

Most of us certainly do not claim to need handguns for any reason beyond the pure love or enjoyment of participating in the shooting sports.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-handguns-gun-control-1.5572268
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2020, 01:07:34 PM »

And... Another one bites the dust...

It seems the trigger happy folks rapidly prohibiting firearms under the direction of Trudeau et al are keeping rather busy these days.

Here's the next:



It's a 22 caliber Mossberg Plinkster. Semi automatic. There are several hundred thousand of them in circulation in Canada. No one can be certain of the exact number, as these have always been a non-restricted item.

But... once again, you can dress them up to look soooo scary they best be on the list:



Forget the fact that the outside shell is a cheap plastic and rather ill fitting case surrounding the Plinkster inside. Forget the fact it still functions exactly the same. Forget the fact it is a 22. It now obviously fits the banal Trudeau description: “These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,”



And on it goes...

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2020, 12:16:08 PM »

Judicial review of an Order in Council to determine if the Order in council is valid:

https://efiling.fct-cf.gc.ca/efilingws/r/doc/v/gmXXegI-G2d33c2ndv80gD5AXQ3EKHTu
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2020, 11:57:18 AM »

Gun crime rates and killings involving guns in New Zealand reached their highest level in a decade this year despite the country's strict gun control measures lauded by left-wing politicians in the United States.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act by news outlet RNZ, show that gun crime has increased in the country in 2018 and 2019.


https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/new-zealand-gun-owners-take-govt-to-court-over-gun-ban-as-gun-crime-soars/amp/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2020, 01:16:00 PM »

Sure enough, in 2020, the Canadian prime minister is imposing a ban by decree. And some gun prohibition fans want him to go even further. The Globe and Mail calls the ban a "weak half-measure" because it doesn't criminalize the possession of handguns. Former Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe spokesman Michael Bociurkiw wants to seal the vast border with the U.S. to curtail gun smuggling and "to make Canadians feel safer."

The obvious lesson to take away from the crackdown in Canada is that the government you live under can turn against you at any time. And bringing yourself to the attention of that government—say, by registering property that some officials want to further restrict or completely prohibit—is just asking for trouble. That lesson should be taken to heart not just in Canada, but any place that those who would inflict restrictions and prohibitions on the rest of us seek power. Which is to say, Canada's gun ban by decree provides a schooling in authoritarianism for everybody.

https://reason.com/2020/05/06/canadas-new-gun-ban-validates-fears-of-arbitrary-and-authoritarian-government/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2020, 01:59:53 PM »

Today's news:

Cops Reject Liberal Gun Ban, Support CCFR

https://firearmrights.ca/en/cops-reject-liberal-gun-ban-support-ccfr/

Sask. considers taking federal government to court over firearms ban

https://www.ckom.com/2020/05/25/province-considering-taking-ottawa-to-court-over-firearms-ban/

Saskatchewan sides with Ontario and Alberta on opposing gun bans

https://thepostmillennial.com/saskatchewan-sides-with-ontario-and-alberta-on-opposing-gun-bans
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2020, 11:32:28 AM »

More firearms being banned without public notice

Maple Ridge, B.C., gun store co-owner Matt Mendel began reading rumours online in early May, shortly after the prime minister announced a ban on 1,500 firearms and gun parts, that even more were quietly being reclassified as prohibited.

There was no public announcement by federal authorities. Businesses like Mendel's Wanstalls Hunting and Shooting had to find out by searching the guns they sell in the national Firearms Reference Table (FRT), available to them online.

Mendel, 32, and his staff began to check various models and sure enough some were suddenly banned — mostly shotguns.

"If I wasn't a diligent business owner and constantly kept my ear to the ground with this sort of thing, I could have been selling illegal firearms to people, and people could be possessing illegal firearms without even knowing it," said Mendel.

Including the one or two Typhoon F12 guns in his inventory, the store stands to lose $30,000 to $40,000 for a dozen firearm models that have been reclassified as prohibited, and much more over time on accessories and ammunition for these guns.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/firearm-reclassification-after-ban-anounced-1.5589519
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2020, 02:06:36 PM »

In the middle of this, Justin Trudeau’s move to protect you from gun crime saw the Liberal government send a letter to Canada’s 2.2 million licensed gun owners telling them some of their guns — all rifles — are now illegal.

The cost of that mailout, well into the millions, could have been better spent on funding police, border agents or other initiatives to deal with the illegal guns that are the real problem.

The Liberals said their plan to buy the now illegal guns from licensed owners would cost roughly $600 million. Their plan to fight guns and gangs is to spend $327 million over five years with just $86 million going to the RCMP and Canada Border Services to fight gun smuggling.

Let’s be clear, they will spend nearly double to buy guns from legal gun owners with no history of crime in Canada than they will on fighting the illegal guns on the streets that were used in shootings like the one that shocked Toronto on Tuesday.

Trudeau knows what lies behind the gun crime problem in Canada and the key word is crime. Yet he doesn’t know how to fix that, not without hard work and a view of the justice system that will offend his left-wing sensibilities.

So he will spend hundreds of millions of your money and mine to focus on the easy target, people who obey the law.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-gun-ban-focuses-on-the-wrong-target
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2020, 01:26:43 PM »

"Our Olympians actually use some of these weapons in their competitions," said Richards.

https://www.cochranetoday.ca/local-news/federal-gun-ban-locked-and-loaded-2380221
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2020, 12:16:46 PM »

Alberta, Saskatchewan taking over the appointment of provincial firearms officers

Alberta and Saskatchewan are moving to assert greater control over gun regulation by taking over the appointment of their provincial firearms officers at a time of heightened tension on the Prairies over gun rights.

They will join Ontario, Quebec, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick in having control over who fills that position.​

Alberta and Saskatchewan announced their intentions regarding firearms officers months ago, but the idea has taken on greater urgency since Ottawa announced a ban on what it calls assault weapons in May.

“We believe we can have somebody who, while obviously committed to upholding the law, will do so in a way that focuses enforcement on criminal misuse of firearms rather than regulatory harassment of safe, legal, law-abiding farmers and duck hunters."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-alberta-saskatchewan-taking-over-the-appointment-of-provincial/
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