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[wildmanyeah]

It seems like its almost an inevitability as the circle of people I know more are being exposed.

[RalphH]

For whatever reason, and there may be good ones, BC has been very slow off the mark on getting people their 3rd vaccine. Of our family in Ontario, all have had their 3rd vaccine including the kids who are in their 20s. My bro-in-law got a 4th shot this week. I got the email that I was now qualified Dec 17th and when I booked the only available place to get the next vaccine was at BCIT which is close to a 20 minute drive ...if you have a car! Earlier in 2021 there were at least 2 vaccine clinics in New west as well as some nearby in Burnaby. The family in Ontario had almost immediate access to PCR tests.

I don't think there are plans to impose fines or taxes on the un-vaccinated in BC but who knows? Those who aren't will likely get the virus over the next months or so. Thanks that the vast majority of people living in BC were responsible enough to get vaccinated up to the recommended level. In the meantime the standard advice applies - reduce your contacts, wear a mask & get your vaccinations up to date as soon as possible.

[wildmanyeah]

Bonni henry just said


45% of hospitalizations are incidental and not due to covid and most of the hospitalizations due to covid are delta.

[dobrolub]

Well, i was out for a day ( or two ) after my second vaccination. They are now talking about 4-th dose and I am sure they'll be talking 5th dose soon. The virus keeps mutating so we might never be fully protected and given how quickly new strains come trying to keep up seems absolutely pointless.

[RalphH]

not much different than the flu in that respect but with a higher fatality rate & incidences of long lived complications. The common cold is such a bugbear because it mutates frequently but seldom causes death or other life affecting change.

[dobrolub]

Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.

[Hike_and_fish]

Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.

Of course there are side effects. Just look at the record amount of soccer players dropping dead of heart attacks on the field than previous years. All of them were vaccinated. The media had no problems showing state run communit media footage of chineese in Wuhan dropping dead in the streets back in March 2020 but there is ZERO coverage of people dropping dead of heart attacks after a vaccination. In FACT heart attacks world wide have increased but they'll tell you it's because of stress from the pandemic.

[RalphH]

Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.

This has nothing to do with what I said.

There is a multitude of data. Every vaccine into an arm is a data point. The total number of vaccine given is to date is 9.37 billion;

https://www.google.ca/search?q=how+many+covid+vaccines+given+in+world&sxsrf=AOaemvJnEhPV1n--esQFVJCsvjq_fOzc_w%3A1642230158042&source=hp&ei=jXHiYY3aPIiV0PEP2IuK4Ao&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYeJ_nhyYDSOlJ8-YJIg1YGO9AWHduxOJ&oq=how+many+coid+vaccines+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDToECCMQJzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOggILhCxAxCDAToICAAQgAQQsQM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOggILhCABBCxAzoFCAAQgAQ6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOggIABCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6CggAELEDEIMBEAo6BAgAEAo6BwgAELEDEAo6BggAEA0QCjoGCAAQFhAeUABYySdgjUhoAHAAeACAAeUBiAHFIJIBBjAuMjAuM5gBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

[clarki]

Of course there are side effects. Just look at the record amount of soccer players dropping dead of heart attacks on the field than previous years. All of them were vaccinated. The media had no problems showing state run communit media footage of chineese in Wuhan dropping dead in the streets back in March 2020 but there is ZERO coverage of people dropping dead of heart attacks after a vaccination. In FACT heart attacks world wide have increased but they'll tell you it's because of stress from the pandemic

This goes round and round. Back in October you said the vaccines caused ADE. Now it’s causing heart attacks.
On January 5, you said Good bye. And yet you’re still here! Thank you for your patience in trying to get through to us “fools” and “lost causes”.

[Blood_Orange]

Even if the vaccines aren't super effective against variants, still seems worth it to get them. I get the flu shot every year. Some years it provides more protection than others. Some years the protection is negligible. Either way, the added protection is a freebie, even if the annual vaccine doesn't match up well against the dominant strain that year.

They're also working on oral antiviral pills to combat COVID infection. Even if you're resigned to catching it eventually, the longer you hold off, the better and more readily available the treatments will be.

[dobrolub]

This has nothing to do with what I said.

I was not responding to anything specific you said.

There is a multitude of data. Every vaccine into an arm is a data point.

This shows vaccinations. No data on side-effects.

The total number of vaccine given is to date is 9.37 billion;

Yeah, that number is larger than world's population -  just to put this into perspective.

[RalphH]

I was not responding to anything specific you said.

then it was a non-sequitar wasn't it? Exactly what were you referring to?

This shows vaccinations. No data on side-effects.

oh I must have fooled myself! (sarcasm)

you are of course familiar with the procedures for collecting & recording vaccine side effects? Maybe not.

Yeah, that number is larger than world's population -  just to put this into perspective.

yes it is - perhaps because many people have received 2, 3 and even 4 vaccines?

[dobrolub]

Well, about 80% of Canada's population is vaccinated with two doses. BC is at 84%. Yet we just had over 40,000 7-day average new cases reported recently.

Do more doses of same vaccine give better protection for new strains?

[RalphH]

For BC

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 30 to Jan. 12)

    Not vaccinated: 53.8
    Partially vaccinated: 26.9
    Fully vaccinated: 10.6

from: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0015-000058

so better than half of new hospitalized cases over the 2 weeks ending Jan 12 is among the 10% or so of the population that is not vaccinated.That number is going down as more and more people who have not been vaccinated get infected with the new variant. that is also why some specialists believe the crest of the omicron wave is approaching.

Those who are vaccinated but become infected with Omicron tend to experience less severe illness or asymptotic infection & shed a lower virus count for a shorter period of time.

It is recommended than people who get vaccines get additional doses every 6 months or so because field data suggests immunity protection tends to drop after about 6 months

On the basis of published results from vaccine trials and other data sources, they estimated that people immunized against COVID-19 would lose approximately half of their defensive antibodies every 108 days or so. As a result, vaccines that initially offered, say, 90% protection against mild cases of disease might only be 70% effective after 6 or 7 months

from: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4

it is also believed the current vaccine group (Pfizer, Moderna) yield lower effective immunity against the Omicron variant. You should note that means more vaccinated people will become infected on exposure to the omicron variant than to the previous known variants. Specifically rather than 90% or protection within a population it will be statistically significantly lower  than 90%.

[danielk]

I just got over this round of Covid.   And I’m vaccinated.    It wasn’t to bad.   But I think this is because I had Covid in Nov also and that one messed me up!  I don’t know if the vaccine really helped me in Nov. I was crushed from That one.  It was 2 weeks of hell !!!    But this round is very mild.   Which I’m thanking the antibodies.  And vac combo lol.     I got it my second round of the vid from my ex and kids.    My ex works for Fraser health and she’s triple vacs. She was layed out from it.     But that was her first time getting the vid. I’m not getting my third shot I don’t really see the point in it.