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[coastangler]

100 percent agree. Conservation 1st. If one group fishes then all groups fish. None of this 1 group gets it all cupcakes. They don't own the damn fish.  If it gets shut down for conservation concerns then nobody freakin fishes!

Stop assuming all groups have the same rights to the resource as it's simply not the case! FNs access to salmon is a constitutional right. And while you are at it, let's remember for one second the REAL reason why salmon stocks are in a steep decline. Call me naive but I personally trust the FNs a lot more to manage this resource than to any of us - they've coexisted with it since immemorial days and have done a good job until we came around. How much wild salmon is left in Europe?

[psd1179]

Stop assuming all groups have the same rights to the resource as it's simply not the case! FNs access to salmon is a constitutional right. And while you are at it, let's remember for one second the REAL reason why salmon stocks are in a steep decline. Call me naive but I personally trust the FNs a lot more to manage this resource than to any of us - they've coexisted with it since immemorial days and have done a good job until we came around. How much wild salmon is left in Europe?

How did FNs manage and how will they manage the fishery?

[avid angler]

Stop assuming all groups have the same rights to the resource as it's simply not the case! FNs access to salmon is a constitutional right. And while you are at it, let's remember for one second the REAL reason why salmon stocks are in a steep decline. Call me naive but I personally trust the FNs a lot more to manage this resource than to any of us - they've coexisted with it since immemorial days and have done a good job until we came around. How much wild salmon is left in Europe?

By far the worst suggestion in this thread so far

[coastangler]

I'm sorry that you disagree. The thing is, it doesn't matter what we think, say or who we vote in the next election: First Nations right to fish for salmon sits above all that. You can blame whoever you want for it but it is what it is. I made my peace with it long ago and I'm thankful for all the other great fishing opportunities that this province has to offer. Tight lines

[redside1]

Stop assuming all groups have the same rights to the resource as it's simply not the case! FNs access to salmon is a constitutional right. And while you are at it, let's remember for one second the REAL reason why salmon stocks are in a steep decline. Call me naive but I personally trust the FNs a lot more to manage this resource than to any of us - they've coexisted with it since immemorial days and have done a good job until we came around. How much wild salmon is left in Europe?

Not taking a stab but you are naive to think any group of humans of any back ground will manage the fish for the best of the resource.
The "time immemorial" is only because technology wasn't there to catch them all back then and the human population of the world was so much smaller. 
There is just way too much money to be made raping the resource. Try and name one group who stops voluntarily when it doesn't look good. Commercial fishermen don't if it's open, Sports anglers don't if it's open.

Fraser sockeyes are returning below forecast, so much so there is not enough fish for any commercial or sports fishing opening. See any lower Fraser river FN's stop and and say "we are also not fishing because of low returns"? How about "I got enough in my freezer so I will stop now"?
Nope, not happening. It's plunder to the best of their abilities while the going good. Like I said, Just way too much money to be made for some but not all and human greed comes out.
While part of their culture, there is not a chance any will starve to death on the lower mainland with all the grocery stores around.
I realize what it is and have moved on to other fisheries while opportunities to fish are still there.

[RalphH]

What a load of cupcakes. I can't believe the people on here that have no actual clue of how many salmon actually get taken in the fsc fishery reported and Un reported.  Literally millions of salmon taken in Gill nets. Along with sturgeon  kill and steelhead. To even suggest this issue is not a big deal or over exaggerated is insulting. You obviously are either blind, ignorant or you support it because you have something  to gain by it.

Actually I am neither blind or ignorant. Your claims are so generalized and sweeping they are ridiculous on the face of it.  Please provide some documented support that millions of Fraser salmon have been taken in all gear this season.

Both DFO and PSC regularly publishes reports (weekly at a minimum) on how many salmon have been taken:

Per PSC about 909,000 sockeye have been taken in all fisheries, both in the US, test fisheries and BC FN fisheries as of Aug 27th. They do split them between those categories.

psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fraser-river-panel-weekly-reports/

there will be Alaska catch added to that later as those numbers come in after the season ends. However most of the Alaska catch of Canadian salmon is from northern rivers including those in Northern Western BC whose last few miles run through the Alaskan panhandle

DFO publishes FN catch reports on all 5 species of salmon and steelhead on their first nations fisheries page:

https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html

In river catches are well under 400,000 as opposed to your previous claims of 1 million (let alone "millions') or whatever. There is also archived reports going back a number of years.

Yes that may be under reported. Yes there is poaching but it's likely not as high as the estimates a  few old good guys cook up in the pub after a few brew-skis!

 There is also archived reports going back a number of years. If you were to look you'd also see economic openings (authorized) commercial sales took place in 2019, 2020 and I believe (the reports are not posted) in 2021. Apparently these took place without waiting to receive your support.

[Kever]

Interesting that no one has mentioned potential impacts from salmon farms yet.  Juvenile mortality from sea lice and adult pre-spawn mortality from Piscine orthoreovirus (PRV) appears to be significant for salmon migrating past operating salmon farms, based on peer reviewed research.

[Rodney]

Breaking news.

Apparently I'm a fishing guide now.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/highlights/fraser-river-salmon-poaching-enforcement-pathetically-low-says-guide-5769750

[Darko]

Breaking news.

Apparently I'm a fishing guide now.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/highlights/fraser-river-salmon-poaching-enforcement-pathetically-low-says-guide-5769750

congratulations on your new title 

[Fish Assassin]

Breaking news.

Apparently I'm a fishing guide now.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/highlights/fraser-river-salmon-poaching-enforcement-pathetically-low-says-guide-5769750

Congratulations on your new business venture. How much do you charge for guiding services ? I may be interested in your service.

[Rodney]

My current day rate for pikeminnow is $800 (that's 8 hours of fishing), which is several hundred dollars cheaper than the average day rate for sturgeon, but who wants to go for sturgeon anyway? This is an inclusive package, meaning that guests would have the opportunities to experience catch and cook in the boat, we'll be making plenty of balls, pikeminnow balls that is.

[RalphH]

Isn't there a hefty fine and consequences for guiding without a proper license? Be careful Rod! 

BTW - someone should ask DFO to clarify what if anything they do about sales of fish caught  or distributed from FSC openings. It's nice they are looking for poachers who catch fish outside the FSC program and are skulking about the back roads of Hope but what about the Craigslist and other ads that cause many people to go ballistic? Those leads should be easy to trace!

[mikeyman]

Isn't there a hefty fine and consequences for guiding without a proper license? Be careful Rod! 

BTW - someone should ask DFO to clarify what if anything they do about sales of fish caught  or distributed from FSC openings. It's nice they are looking for poachers who catch fish outside the FSC program and are skulking about the back roads of Hope but what about the Craigslist and other ads that cause many people to go ballistic? Those leads should be easy to trace!

None of the first nations ever get fined or charged. Only the buyers that get caught. 

[mikeyman]

Actually I am neither blind or ignorant. Your claims are so generalized and sweeping they are ridiculous on the face of it.  Please provide some documented support that millions of Fraser salmon have been taken in all gear this season.

Both DFO and PSC regularly publishes reports (weekly at a minimum) on how many salmon have been taken:

Per PSC about 909,000 sockeye have been taken in all fisheries, both in the US, test fisheries and BC FN fisheries as of Aug 27th. They do split them between those categories.

psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fraser-river-panel-weekly-reports/

there will be Alaska catch added to that later as those numbers come in after the season ends. However most of the Alaska catch of Canadian salmon is from northern rivers including those in Northern Western BC whose last few miles run through the Alaskan panhandle

DFO publishes FN catch reports on all 5 species of salmon and steelhead on their first nations fisheries page:

https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html

In river catches are well under 400,000 as opposed to your previous claims of 1 million (let alone "millions') or whatever. There is also archived reports going back a number of years.

Yes that may be under reported. Yes there is poaching but it's likely not as high as the estimates a  few old good guys cook up in the pub after a few brew-skis!

 There is also archived reports going back a number of years. If you were to look you'd also see economic openings (authorized) commercial sales took place in 2019, 2020 and I believe (the reports are not posted) in 2021. Apparently these took place without waiting to receive your support.

Like I said blind ignorant or you have something to gain from it .
There are absolutely well over a million salmon taken every year poached or reported. Sold from big operations to the small. Is naive a better name for you?
The Gill netting is relentless.
Chehalis for example. Not even worth fishing it anymore once the fish show up Gill net one side to the other. No joke. Just one example. Might as well shut down the hatchery.

[psd1179]

For better manage the resources, I suggest who are harvesting salmon by net to buy bigger freezers. Just saw another dump in Rodney's instgram