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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #300 on: September 03, 2022, 07:28:34 AM »

They're all the same article on about a dozen news outlets owned by Glacier Media Group.

also characteristic of moral panic; rapid spread of the same story by media networks in simplistic ways that arouses public concern.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #301 on: September 03, 2022, 08:23:37 AM »



This one was down near the Great Blue Heron Nature Reserve this morning.
The poachers are wanting these dump sites found to rile up the sportsfishing community.
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« Reply #302 on: September 03, 2022, 10:32:08 AM »

The poachers are wanting these dump sites found to rile up the sportsfishing community.
Doubt it.. Smart criminals want to be as lowkey as possible not to get caught. Doubt they care what we think
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #303 on: September 03, 2022, 11:21:03 AM »


Off topic: Ralph, I jwant to say thank you for your contributions to this forum. You are a wealth of wisdom and though I don't always agree with everything you write you often make me consider things differently and I have learned a lot. I hope you have a great Fall Season. All the best.

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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #304 on: September 03, 2022, 11:59:45 AM »

Stop assuming all groups have the same rights to the resource as it's simply not the case! FNs access to salmon is a constitutional right. And while you are at it, let's remember for one second the REAL reason why salmon stocks are in a steep decline. Call me naive but I personally trust the FNs a lot more to manage this resource than to any of us - they've coexisted with it since immemorial days and have done a good job until we came around. How much wild salmon is left in Europe?

Why would anyone ever assume that any group in Canada has any more rights than any other group? Oh, wrong, we forgot about constitutional rights. Although, last time I looked, I had some fundamental freedoms as well. Those rights include thought, belief, opinion and expression. Bootleg salmon is not included in my rights. (And just to follow your train of thought) - Not too much wild salmon is left in Europe since colonialism.(When was that again)?
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #305 on: September 03, 2022, 12:07:35 PM »

also characteristic of moral panic; rapid spread of the same story by media networks in simplistic ways that arouses public concern.

Sure, call it that if you want. It raises awareness among the uneducated public so people would think twice about buying salmon illegally.

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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #306 on: September 03, 2022, 12:21:21 PM »

I think "not aware" is a better description than the pejorative "uneducated". 

I also used the term moral panic to describe the reaction of some members of the angling community to the FSC fishery. My opinion is that shares some of the characteristics of moral panic. The list grows.

You should also know I usually adopt the role of a gadfly these sort of issues.

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« Reply #307 on: September 03, 2022, 12:59:07 PM »

We are just all trying to grapple this situation. Lets include everyone. Fisheries Canada are short staffed like everything else. Our efforts from First Nations to Recreational anglers have been unheard of for years. The question is who is the stewards of the fish and environment? I hope you are a Steward...   
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #308 on: September 03, 2022, 11:05:27 PM »

I had a conversation with DFO enforcement this evening about the ongoing salmon poaching and dumping issue. While it's good that everyone has been sending me photos and reports of dumpings, it is important to also submit a report to DFO's ORR (observe, record, report) line. Be specific on the location, description of suspicious vehicles or individuals. These reports create stats, which may result in more officers out in the area. It really helps officers a lot, who are just as frustrated while trying to hunt down violators. ORR can be done both over the phone and online. Please see the following webpage for contact information.

https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/ORR-ONS-eng.html

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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #309 on: September 04, 2022, 07:34:51 AM »

Okanagan FN group credited for astonishing comeback of local sockeye salmon run.

About 500,000 sockeye have returned to the Canadian section of the Okanagan watershed after period when about 30 years ago the returns were close to 1/100th of the current number. the band has caught and distributed 10,000 fish to members as part of a food fishery plus caught another 40,000 as part of a local commercial fishery. The return is also providing a local recreational fishery.

This is an extraordinary example of how giving local to control a FN group can produce dramatic and positive results.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sockeye-salmon-okangan-fishery-osoyoos-1.6571895
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« Reply #310 on: September 04, 2022, 07:40:43 AM »

We are just all trying to grapple this situation. Lets include everyone. Fisheries Canada are short staffed like everything else. Our efforts from First Nations to Recreational anglers have been unheard of for years. The question is who is the stewards of the fish and environment? I hope you are a Steward...

tell us what you do to be a steward of the fish and the environment?
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #311 on: September 04, 2022, 09:11:31 AM »

Who cares where the dump sites are.
Who cares what vehicle was driven there.
There are trucks driving all over the lower mainland with fish totes in the back of them and a blind man could find one if he wanted.

Is just smoke and mirrors if you think any ministry is going to pursue any Native fishers for any kind of illegal fishing or selling fish.

Its a dam shame that there is no longer sport fishing on the Fraser other than Sturgeon.



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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #312 on: September 04, 2022, 09:46:23 AM »

There is a rec fishery in the Fraser for sockeye happening right now. Its in Lillooet.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #313 on: September 04, 2022, 09:58:09 AM »

Osoyoos Lake is also open. They have in the past opened the river once the fish move into it.
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« Reply #314 on: September 04, 2022, 11:04:43 AM »

Osoyooos lake closed to sockeye on august 31
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