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[SuperBobby]

Gill, Ferry island as well the access on the north side have blocked access to vehicles due to abuse. There is still foot access. Ferry Island had been turned into a garbage dump. Tranmer Road  (Fraser River lodge) access wasn't owned by the lodge but by the farm owner. The access roads has been turned into swamp and mud hole by 4x4 joy riders so he blocked it off not the lodge. He also let the District put in a small parking lot for people who walk along the dike. There is no bar at Tranmer as they remove the gravel as soon as it builds up. They did it again this winter.

So there is no foot access Peg Leg and Jesperson's?

In 2022 when they opened Sockeye CP/CN posted a Railway Police officer at the park for the popular bars because people were running out in front of the trains rather than wait 5 minutes.

Some people are idiots. Blame them.

Typical left wing attitude.
If we actually had law enforcement and government that wasn't lazy, they would go down there and fine the ones that are guilty of abusing the resource.
But what all lazy law enforcement and governments do instead is a blanket shutdown and penalize everyone for the few who are guilty.

Give me one good reason why we need cement barriers all along Balaam road? And don't give me the BS its because some stupid kids drove into the river speeding over the rise at 2am. That's not my problem.

Jesperson's had an awesome boat launch for decades. Completely blocked off now by cement barriers.

As for the scale bar and other bars that people ran in front of trains....again.... not my problem. I don't run in front of trains. Why am I penalized for the stupidity of others?

Peg Leg almost always has cement barriers on the main road. Before the river blew it out the gravel bar even a few years ago, you could park along the entire gravel road stretch....but no longer and there is very little parking on the main road.

Ferry Island and Gill Road? Again....get some law enforcement down there and hand out littering fines, damage fines, etc, etc... These blanket closures and bans because of a few idiots are not fair.

[SuperBobby]

To be fair this is not new, My coworker told me when he was in his early teens they use to rally race on herrling island, He told me the abandoned lots of their vehicles their they could not get out.

He's in in late 50's

You're right. None of this is new. All the problems mentioned in this thread have been going on since at least the 80s when I started fishing the Fraser River.
What is new is that we have lazier and lazier government and law enforcement that doesn't want to go down there and fine the 'few' so that the rest of us can enjoy the river.

[SuperBobby]

So there is no foot access Peg Leg and Jesperson's?

You're missing a big part of what I've been saying. People like myself who grew up here....tailgate fishing and campfire/bbqs were a way of life. 99 out of a 100 respected the river. It was an ideal way for family and friends to get together on a Sunday afternoon or evening....and now it's gone. I don't want to carry my bbq and cooler and fishing gear for 2km to get a nice gravel bar.

[RalphH]

Fishing along the Fraser I go back to the 60s. I do recall a lot of the same problems then as what caused vehicle access to be blocked. One thing that has changed is that regular people won't put up with it anymore and demanded something be done. Personally I didn't enjoy fishing in a parking lot or the loud music or people riding their screaming dirt bikes back and forth for hours. Some people felt otherwise. A bigger loss is when all access was cut off altogether and that's happened as well.

[DanL]

the wheels are in motion to try and get the river opened earlier than in the past. Not sure how successful the groups attempting to do this will be but hopefully they are.

I dont know all the backroom discussions that must go into an opening, but it seems that the returns have either  fell short of the escapement goals or barely met them for at least 10 years, so perhaps the later openings were to be conservative and ensure the goals were met. Maybe with a large historic return, there's more hope or earlier/wider openings if meeting the target is not in question...

[RalphH]

One can go through the PSC annual reports to see what the final run size estimates were and  the  Mission escapement. Only 2015 ( 5m )and 2017 (3.4 m) were below the usual escapement target of 6 million. The highest recorded run size was 2003 with 25 million so the estimate for this year is about the same. the 2023 escapement was 9.5 million.

https://www.psc.org/publications/annual-reports/fraser-river-panel/

Best I know the minimum escapement for conservation is 3 million. The max for optimal spawning success is 8 million There have been years (70s and early 80s I believe) where the return was well below 3 million.

Not sure that any discussions about openings above Mission are related to the pink salmon forecast.  They have been going on for some time as there have been years where late summer chinook returns have been more than sufficient to support a targeted sport fishery. A pink opening this will lead to a floss fishery with potential impacts on other species.

 

[SuperBobby]

the wheels are in motion to try and get the river opened earlier than in the past. Not sure how successful the groups attempting to do this will be but hopefully they are.

Unfortunately, we hear that song and dance every season. The DFO hasn't given the sporties anything other than lip service since at least the 90s. I don't expect it to change anytime soon.

I dont know all the backroom discussions that must go into an opening, but it seems that the returns have either  fell short of the escapement goals or barely met them for at least 10 years, so perhaps the later openings were to be conservative and ensure the goals were met. Maybe with a large historic return, there's more hope or earlier/wider openings if meeting the target is not in question...

Regardless of any reason for it, the problem with later openings is that we are left with mostly inedible fish.

[SuperBobby]

A pink opening this will lead to a floss fishery with potential impacts on other species.

Funny how you never mention that FN Gill nets (which will be out there) do 100x worse bycatch damage than a little bit of flossing.

[RalphH]

Looking back through 2021 and 2023 for FN and general commercial fisheries there were few to no openings for pinks that authorized use of gill or drift nets.FN openings allowed  Beach seines. seines, dip nets, gaffs, hook and line etc - yes but not gill nets. Two factors to explain this - low sockeye numbers and the IFS window.

[SuperBobby]

Looking back through 2021 and 2023 for FN and general commercial fisheries there were few to no openings for pinks that authorized use of gill or drift nets.FN openings allowed  Beach seines. seines, dip nets, gaffs, hook and line etc - yes but not gill nets. Two factors to explain this - low sockeye numbers and the IFS window.

And yet Bar Fishing (which is as selective as fishing gets) for Chinook (numbers were more than decent) was completely banned  (as well as before the IFS window). You still don't get it......

[SuperBobby]

Looking back through 2021 and 2023 for FN and general commercial fisheries there were few to no openings for pinks that authorized use of gill or drift nets.FN openings allowed  Beach seines. seines, dip nets, gaffs, hook and line etc - yes but not gill nets. Two factors to explain this - low sockeye numbers and the IFS window.

And yet somehow, there were still piles of unwanted pinks dumped all over the gravel bars (dozens of pictures for proof were shown to the public) to rot in the sun. Why did that happen? I'm thinking only the nicer salmon species were actually being kept. IE. Coho, Chinook, and Sockeye.

[RalphH]

And yet Bar Fishing (which is as selective as fishing gets) for Chinook (numbers were more than decent) was completely banned  (as well as before the IFS window). You still don't get it......

oh I get it Robert, it's just that you don't get I get it simply because I don't talk or think like you.

[RalphH]

In river pink fishery is an egg fishery. Yes it is terribly wasteful.

[SuperBobby]

oh I get it Robert, it's just that you don't get I get it simply because I don't talk or think like you.

No, I think like a sporty and someone who desires equality and fairness among the different demographics....I think for myself.
You think how you are told to think. Whatever the TV or other MSM tells you. There is a big difference.

[RalphH]

You have no idea what I think or how I think.