well when a beginner pick up and cast from 9 O'clock to a 1 O'clock position, they do have a tendency to over extand their fore-arm and cause a wide loop. So i usually advice ppl to keep the rod up high, tight elbow keep the rod from around 10 o'clock to 1:30 position. Basically, this is how its work from pick-up to lay out a cast... pick up the line, to 1:30 position, pause, wait until the line is fully extended, move the rod forward to a 10 o'clock position pause wait until it fully extended.. Then repleate the same motion again.. other wise, wait until the line is fully extended at the 10 o'clock position, then just simply lower the rod to a 8:30 ish position.. your line will lay out really nicely. goodluck fishing