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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #105 on: August 06, 2005, 11:06:55 AM »

Appreciate the clarification Chris
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #106 on: August 06, 2005, 11:34:42 AM »

If people are looking for background of the Sportfishing Defence Alliance, you can find it on this page now.

Last night I also made up a donation form for the Sportfishing Defence Alliance so you can print it out and mail it in with a cheque if you want to donate. You can download the form on this page.

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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2005, 11:40:56 AM »

So by being not allowed to anchor a boat does that include not allowing it to be pulled up the shore and kept there while the angler fishes off the bar?
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2005, 11:49:28 AM »

I was told in clear terms. This injuction refers to BOATS ANCHORED IN THE CHANNEL.
If you are able to completely beach your boat you should be ok.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2005, 12:38:16 PM »

why are the RCMP going out for this injuntion
but are never or rarely around to inforce the laws of canadU

continue to vote liberal my friends for more of the same

 lol.right like the conservatives or ndp would be any different,gsus they are all 1 and the same,and none seem to care about sportfishing or the money we bring in.check g.campbell for instance whats he done for fish,in a province where sportfishing brings in more $ than everything except pot.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2005, 12:41:11 PM »

   
 

Cheam seek court solution to conflict

 
   
   
Shelley and Jay Hand from Abbotsford fish with their seven year-old daughter Beth on the banks of the Fraser River Wednesday evening. KARI MEDIG/PROGRESS
 
 
By Robert Freeman

The Progress
Aug 05 2005

The Cheam First Nation is expected to seek a court injunction today (Friday) in Victoria to keep sports fishermen out of their claimed fishing areas on the Fraser River.
But Cheam Chief Sidney Douglas says the injunction is aimed only at five limited areas on the river between the Agassiz-Rosedale bridge and Herrling Island where Cheam fishers are using drift nets and need "clear passageway" to avoid clashing with recreational anglers fishing from the gravel bars and shores with rod and reel.
He says most anglers are "reasonable and move out of the way, but there are some others who aren't so accommodating."
"We're not trying to shut the whole sport fishery right down," he says. "We just want the best opportunities for our fishermen."
Native fishermen have only limited fishing times, he points out, while recreational anglers have virtually unlimited access.
"We've been limited to our fishery, and we've got to make the best use of what little time we have," he says.
Phil Eidsvik at the B.C. Fisheries Survival Coalition calls the Cheam move "duplicitous" since it comes as sports and native fishermen have been holding talks aimed at easing tensions on the Fraser River.
"It's a public river, owned by the people of Canada," he says. "They have no more right to be there than we do."
Bill Otway, president of the Sportfishing Defence Alliance, says he is not surprised the Cheam are seeking a court order at the same time they are engaged in the talks to resolve the conflicts between sport and native fishermen.
"It's a ridiculous situation to start with, but they have no basis in fact for a claim," he says, because there has been no "interference" in any legal native fisheries by sports anglers.
"If they don't get an incident, I don't see how they can go (to court for an injunction)," he says.
The Cheam claim in the injunction application that a July 23 opening this year for native fishers was "significantly impeded" by the large number of sports fishermen fishing for salmon.
"The large numbers of sports fishermen present in these channels made it difficult for the Cheam fishermen to use their drift nets to carry out the authorized food fishery," the Cheam claim, and as a result of this "overcrowding by sports fishermen" the Cheam fishers obtained "significantly lower catches than expected."
Frank Kwak, a sport fishing representative at the talks with native fishermen, says recreational anglers are "very disappointed" with the Cheam legal action, but he says it won't "derail" the dialogue process.
"There are some other issues we can deal with First Nations as a whole," Kwak says. "We feel we have some common ground on some issues with some of them."
"However, the Cheam (injunction application) has kind of put a crinkle in the (dialogue) process, as far as the Cheam are concerned," he says.
Chief Douglas says the Cheam also want to continue the talks.
"We still want to work with the recreational fishermen, but we feel there are certain sports fishermen that don't agree with us fishing in the same waters," he says.
Kwak says lawyers for the recreational fishers will oppose the injunction in court, arguing that "the province does not give the waterway to the native bands, even though a river runs through their supposed territory. We're hoping they can't do this."
According to a copy of the injunction application obtained by The Progress, the Cheam are claiming
"exclusive control" over fishing areas within the territory claimed by the Pilalt tribe.
"At the time of assertion to British sovereignty in 1846, the Pilalt held aboriginal title to the (area), including the beaches, banks, bars, islands and bed of the Fraser river," the statement of claim asserts.
The Cheam are also claiming federal fisheries officials have "effectively" given priority to non-aboriginal sport fisheries over aboriginal food fishing rights.
"The limited number of aboriginal openings and the short notice of those openings makes it very likely that there will be members of Cheam who will be unable to satisfy even their basic food fishery requirements for the year 2005," the claim states. "If the Cheam fishermen are unable to satisfy their food fishing needs in the course of the openings permitted by DFO, there will be Cheam members, including elderly people and children, who will suffer hardship this year, as the sockeye food fishery is essential to the sustenance of many Cheam families."
Both sport and commercial fishing groups also complained about short notice of the injunction application given by the Cheam, which left them little time to arrange legal representation at Friday's court hearing.
Otway says the SDA received no formal notice of the application, but learned about it from anglers who were handed notices as they fished from Fraser River gravel bars.
However, he adds that he's not surprised the Cheam have gone to a Victoria court for the injunction, instead of a Fraser Valley court, because the judges there know "dick all" about Fraser River fishing issues.
Chief Douglas says the Victoria court was the closest one to the Cook Roberts legal firm representing the Cheam.
rfreeman@theprogress.com
 
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #111 on: August 06, 2005, 01:19:21 PM »

Just stopped at pegs legs (water still very high and not crossable) and spotted many rec anglers anchored in the main channel fishing off their boats. I guess with a notice give this short most people probably don't know about it. Didn't see any native nets or RCMP.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #112 on: August 06, 2005, 02:24:49 PM »

So the natives want everyone off the river when they fish. Do you think this is because the recreational fishers are fishing illegally? That we are taking too many fish? Catching above our catch limits? Using illegal methods to fish for these fish? I don't think so!!! Where is the DFO when you see the natives take boat load after boat load of fish home for ceremonial and personnal use. These people must have very large families to eat all those fish. Why does the DFO shut down the recreational fishing and commercial fishing but not the native fishery? The amount of fish caught and kept by the recreational fishery is very small compared to the native fishery. I do believe changes should be made for the recreational fishery. Such as when fishing for sockeye and you have kept your 2 fish your are to stop fishing, not keep fishing in case you catch a spring. This way the amount of caught and released sockeye will drop dramatically. If the fishers can do it with steelhead we can all get together to regulate it with the sockeye. Also some people have to taught how to properly release a fish. Not to raise it in the air or drag it along the rocks to get your hook out. If you can not afford to cut off the odd hook to allow the fish to live you should not be fishing. You also do not have to play the fish until it is almost dead then release it. Contrary to what you believe it is not your right to play the fish that way, get it close to shore and release it as soon as possible. Bringing them into shore lifting them up out of the water a couple of time like they do on most TV fishing shows is not the proper way. Get a picture while they are in the water and release them without lifting them out of the water. We must all get together and teach each other proper fishing etiquette and stay together to fight for the right to fish where ever there are conflicts. That the natives do not have the sole right to these fish. Wether it is on the Fraser river or any other water way. I have seen signs on parts of the Thompson river stating that to fish this area you must get permission from the native band to do so. So let us stay together and stop this before it goes any further.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #113 on: August 06, 2005, 03:18:38 PM »

I am so very confused by all these posts so i have a few simple questions. So we cant fish at all at seabird bar? not even if you walk there? i was out today and saw plenty drift netting and many people at the bar.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #114 on: August 06, 2005, 03:20:53 PM »

So the natives want everyone off the river when they fish. Do you think this is because the recreational fishers are fishing illegally? That we are taking too many fish? Catching above our catch limits? Using illegal methods to fish for these fish? I don't think so!!! Where is the DFO when you see the natives take boat load after boat load of fish home for ceremonial and personnal use. These people must have very large families to eat all those fish. Why does the DFO shut down the recreational fishing and commercial fishing but not the native fishery? The amount of fish caught and kept by the recreational fishery is very small compared to the native fishery.

Sums up my view very nicely.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2005, 04:14:41 PM »

floater  : READ MY POST ON THE TOP OF PAGE 8 of this thread regarding access.
Any bars that you can walk in to or be dropped off by boat at are fair game for NON native fishers.
The judge granted the injunction against "ANCHORED BOATS ONLY", from the top of herling island down to the reserve land that is just below island 22. from my view of the map, seabird, pipeline and scale bars are not in this area.
Anyone who is confronted by FN's who are acting hostile should be IMMEDIATELY REPORTED TO RCMP, especially if you are not fishing from an anchored boat.
IF YOU ARE NOT AN ANCHORED BOAT FISHERMAN THIS CURRENT INJUNCTION DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2005, 04:18:39 PM »

COPIES OF THE INJUNCTION ARE NOW AVAILLABLE AT BERRY"S BAIT
I have personally taken probably 50 to 100 calls between yesterday and today regarding this issue and many vows of support for the SDA.
Donation pledges are coming in like crazy, now i'll watch the mail and the store donation can
FILLING SDA COFFERS IS YOUR BEST ACTION TO SEE YOUR FISHING OPPORTUNITIES PROTECTED.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2005, 04:27:50 PM »

Good to know im glad i can just fish in peace now cuz i hell would have to freeze over before someone but the DFO tells me i cant fish in the fraser. Its already a joke making us wait on the sockeye now people with boats cant even fish their fav spots and what about guides? Anyways today i saw many people on boats anchoring on other side of seabird and going right by the natives and their drift nets.
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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2005, 04:40:41 PM »

Just talked to Frank on the phone to provide bit of an update.

The drift net opening is today (Saturday) from 0800 to 2000, so anglers are prohibited to anchor their boats and fish in the areas that are stated in the injunctions. However, there isn't a drift net opening after today so the injunction should not apply to these areas, anglers should be able to freely fish from an anchored boat.

Here's the tricky situation. If you decide to anchor and fish tomorrow in those areas and are confronted, what do you do? Stand your ground? Or leave to avoid conflicts? My suggestion is to best call the RCMP, if any FN boats threaten you because they want to drift a net through tomorrow, file a report. Also, let's say you are being filmed tomorrow fishing in the area, what's the likelihood of having this footage being used during court against us. "John Doe was fishing in this area during our opening (which in fact he wasn't, but he's not there to defend himself) so we are unable to conduct our fishery."

The lawyer of SDA will attend the court session on Monday despite of the fact that he just had his wife's funeral today. He will be asking the judge to postpone the court session due to his circumstances.

The RCMP has used the big search and rescue boat from Harrison Lake (paid by our tax dollars) today to escort the FN netting boats to the fishing areas, where the RCMP cleared the anglers before netting took place.

Once again, please don't get yourself into the situation that can later on be used against the sportfishermen. The SDA and various other groups have been doing their best to fight this in a civil manner. We need your support by reporting in all violations that you witness.

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Re: Angling On The Fraser Threatened, Cheam File Injunction
« Reply #119 on: August 07, 2005, 05:30:06 AM »

let me see en4cer
who ordered the big rcmp boat onto the water as an escort
why the special treatment

oh yea their marching orders come from the same people who give the dfo theirs

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the judge is appointed by the same people

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