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[allwaysfishin]

regardless of why you people think the RCMP were on the water, it's pretty sad to hear guys knockin the law.
It would be ridiculous to assume that a stepped up presence would not be on the river as it is plainly obvious to most folks that tensions between FN fishers and sport fishers could cause multiple altercations.
I also don't find any fault in them " escorting" native boats, that way there are "eyes of the law" on them and maybe this will cause them to not hassle sporties.

Bottom line in ALL of this is that FN's AND sporties need to share the river, we just don't happen to agree with the way the Cheam want to see things on the river.
situations like these are why we have law in this country and the police presence on the river should not be perceived as a threat to sports fisherman.

[chris gadsden]

Been away from the computer since Friday so have a little time now to catch up on the news. Thanks to everyone for the posts and glad to see donations to the SDA are starting to roll in. Thanks allwaysfish and others for your work in gettings things setup. The SDA has been saying this was going to happen for a while and now it has funding raising has been difficult but I think it will be a lot easier in the future. I will be back early next week to join in this effort.

Hope everyone keeps their cool as nothing positive will happen if violence occures. Glad that the SDA lawyer will be able to be at the court proceedings on Monday.

[Addicted To Steel]

Where does it stop? Setting a precedent like this is very disturbing to me as a Canadian citizen and avid angler, hunter, outdoorsman and father of children who I hope will carry on my beliefs about the protection and love of our valued lands and waters. An injunction like this is like opening a can of worms. There are plenty of other bands in Canada who will be keeping an eye on the success of this injunction with hopes of accomplishing the same in their areas and their claims. Perhaps we will see the same come hunting season. What is to stop them from putting an injunction against the hunters of Canada. I'm sure they need to eat all of those animals up in the hills to right?
Perhaps not though, they will  have a tougher time selling wild animal meat, unlike the quick windfall of money they make from the illegal fish sales.
If the RCMP, DFO and other governing bodies took the time to watch, assess, and enforce the amounts of fish the Natives took from our waters and what they did with the fish after the fact,  the sport and commercial fishers would not have as many ill feelings towards the natives as they do. The fact is, the Natives have been given to many fish and too much freedom to do what they want with that fish.
 
The enforcement needs to be two fold; make sure the Natives take what they are allowed, and make sure they use the fish for what they are supposed to be used for.
100% food and ceremonial use is B.S. and we all know it. Sure there is the need for that, we don't argue this, but the amount of fish they want and take far surpasses what they could possibly need for their food and ceremonial needs.

Thanks to all who take the time to keep us all informed on what is going on with these issues.
We're all Canadians, stand up for our rights, and support the  ones who fight for them on our behalf.

[allwaysfishin]

well said brother

[Old Black Dog]

Ok, who was on the water today and what did you see?

[n4cer]

Reriger....give your head a shake....if the RCMP wasn't there and the natives went out on their own and "requested" the sport fishermen to leave the area, you honestly think it would of been done peacefully??  So...., what shoot and ask questions later??  And if something were to happen, then the rant would be where were the RCMP??  The use of Kent Harrison's search and rescue boat...as for anyone involved in any search and rescue society the gear and equipment if funded by gamings or by fund raising.  A lot of volunteer work and time are put in by the members of SAR and if you were in the situation where you needed to be rescued, would you want the equipment to be in working condition and of substance?

[rerigger]

hey i've got nothing against the rcmp
just their political masters
and don't try to tell me that the rcmp is seperate from politics
nothing in canada is free from politics

as a matter of fact political interference in dfo caused the mess we are in

i have totally lost all respect for the government of canada and all its institutions

sorry en4cer you might be a nice guy and you do an ugly job in difficult times
but i still hate your bosses

[Rodney]

Finally got something clarified. This came in the email not long ago.

The interim injunction is in effect until Tuesday August 9, 2005 and states that John and Jane Doe are prohibited from carrying out any recreational fishery by boat in the following Fraser River Channels:  Lower Drift, Middle Drift, Upper Drift, Lower Herrling Drift and Upper Herrling Drift (Spagetti Bar, Upper and Lower Herrling, Morrows Bar and Ferry Island Bar) during any opening authorized by DFO that permits the Cheam FN to harvest salmon by drift net on the Fraser. The only authorized drift net opening within this time period was on Saturday. August 6 from  8 am to 8 pm.

[tailhook]

I am new to this forum as well as a novice fisherman, but I hate to see the hypocrisy in our government. I didn't realize that we had 2 citizenships in this country (WHERE HAVE I BEEN), where one group of people are preferentially treated vs another. I thought the issue as far as DFO and the commission was concerned was salmon conservation, yet the FN are given a blank cheque and the recreational fishermen (who have the least impact in terms of salmon depletion) are given the shaft. As per an earlier posting this is totally political. Interesting in how in Canada the minority groups are able to sway public opinion through our legal system. It's nice to see how our tax dollars are being used (in a round about way) to finance the legal council for the opposition.......................not. Sorry had to say my piece.

[pepsitrev]

  so when can we fish from shore without bothering anyone i mean i would not want to ruffle any feathers. and do ya think there is going to be a sockeye openning for the sportsm ???en this week or next.

[tailhook]

As per the DFO website;

First Nations:
It is expected that FN targeting Fraser River sockeye fisheries in Area 29 and the Fraser River will continue this week, an update will be provided on Tues, Aug 9 following the next panel meeting

Recreational
Sockeye retention remains closed in the Fraser River. Opportunities for the commencement of Fraser River sockeye retention will be reviewed and an update will be provided Tues. Aug 9

[chris gadsden]

Just got back from Alberta so trying to catch up on things. I phoned Frank early this am and he was on the boat to Victoria along with Tony.The SDA's lawyer is appearing at the case in 10 minutes.

Apparently The Cheam's lawers made their case ALL DAY yesterday so it is our turn today.

Will keep you posted the best I can.

I was told yesterday by one of my fishing partners drifting was going on yesterday during a closed period. They were reported and I hope they will be in court shortly. It really bothers that these fellows continue to fish and some seem to have no respect for the fish or the fish's future.

[Green Horn]

hmmmm   so FN are drift net fishing while fishing is closed?

And we are not aloud to fish...so we don't?

Makes ya wonder...who is the dumb azz here?

BOB

[chris gadsden]

I have been trying to track down what happened today in Victoria and have talked to FOC officials, SDA etc.

All I can gather to this very minute is the judgement will be handed down coming down tomorrrow.

Will update if I hear more. Dropped down to the dialogue session that has just started here in CHWK.

Full representation by our SFAC committee, thanks to all of them for giving so freely of their time to represent us so well. Noticed  FN rep's there including some I know, also at least one Cheam band member. We will hear how it went later I am sure.

[Centerpin]

AS far as I can tell from the wording of the injunction we are only prohibited from the river while there is a drift net opening. So if there is no legal opening should the river not be open for all to use?


Centerpin