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Bantam_50

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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2005, 09:53:16 PM »

my god bantam.... you are a real prize
you trash on all the folks on this forum and then you say you are going out to catch pinks on your 6 wt.
In the FRASER? man you are a steward of the resource, a real conservation minded fellow i'm sure.
I hope you are killing your 4 and going home after that. conservation and ethically minded inMost seasoned, dividuals would not put the stress of catching and releasing pinks on a 6wt in fraser waters.
probably just one of your dumb my friend trolls though...
so... go crawl back under your rock, we aren't concerned with your i told you so babble

I've been reminded not to trash anyone. :-X  I've bit my tongue more than once with some of the stuff post here.  ;D  ....

 So you're trying to tell me that a stillwater angler targeting 5lb+ bows is no better. :-\  Oh ... wait ... we're talking the Fraser. Right.

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conservation and ethically minded inMost seasoned, dividuals would not put the stress of catching and releasing
... does that include sockeye on a BB in fraser waters. Think before you post. As for trolling ... if Magician was to offer  :o ... yes I'd toss out a big chovy.
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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2005, 10:23:45 PM »

Good to see the continued ME mentality is alive and well on FWR.

I have no problem with any of your opinion except the kind such as this one above. I find it offensive that you choose to generalize all voices on FWR share the same mentality when only a small group of vocal people who are interested in a Fraser River sockeye fishery. I work very hard to build up a website that aims to provide information for anglers of all skill levels, ages and ethnic backgrounds. FWR is not a club, with membership that has a common interest, ie. the sockeye fishery.

The information made by you to the members is great, it's the approach that is in question.

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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2005, 10:51:20 PM »

FYI, came in by email from DFO, for those who are actually interested in how the decisions are made. I've sent an email out about the Vedder pink opening as a few people are interested, should be getting a reply tomorrow.

Fraser River Sockeye - We are at approximately 10% harvest on lates with what we have already fished.  In order to meet our First Nations FSC requirements we will be using the remaining 5% as per our pre-season objective of constraining harvest to 15% on lates.  This assumes that the late run returns at the 75p level.  The 75 p being approximately what we have seen for the earlies and the summers.  End result - no commercial or recreational fisheries on Fraser Sockeye.  First Nations will be harvesting the remainder of their FSC allocation dependent on plans being made today.  Some terminal fisheries will still be proceeding because they are up high enough in the system that they don't impact on lates and because catches are so low (i.e. 3 to 15 fish).

Harrison River Sockeye - While it is recognized that this fishery has a very small impact - we are already at 15% exploitation on lates and cannot justify opening a fishery targetting lates when all other fisheries are being closed due to impacts on lates.

Fraser River Pinks - After it was pointed out to the panel that pinks can be harvested selectively and that a recreational fishery will have little or no impact on sockeye, they agreed with a pink opening.  Pinks will be open (4 per day) as of 00:01 h on August 26, 2005 from Mission to Alexandra bridge.  The Canadian Caucus members of the panel asked me to ensure that the recreational community makes every effort to ensure that their pink fishery does not have an impact on sockeye.  I have included a line in the fishery notice asking fishers to use selective methods in this fishery.  I don't want to stir up any flossing/anti-flossing debate but I would like to remind everyone that the more we can prove the ability to avoid non-target species, the easier it is for me to increase opportunity.

Marine Sockeye - The marine recreational sockeye fishery will be closing shortly.  Randy Brahniuk will be sending out a fishery notice asap.  I believe he will be closing the fishery as of midnight on Saturday.

In a nutshell then, no sockeye openings in the Fraser River below Alexandra Bridge, the south coast marine sockeye fishery closure will be announced today, no sockeye opening for this year on the Harrison River and pinks are open as of tomorrow on the Fraser.


The fishery notice regarding non-retention of sockeye salmon in Southern BC can now be found here.

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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2005, 11:09:40 PM »

Good to see the continued ME mentality is alive and well on FWR.

I have no problem with any of your opinion except the kind such as this one above. I find it offensive that you choose to generalize all voices on FWR share the same mentality when only a small group of vocal people who are interested in a Fraser River sockeye fishery. I work very hard to build up a website that aims to provide information for anglers of all skill levels, ages and ethnic backgrounds. FWR is not a club, with membership that has a common interest, ie. the sockeye fishery.

The information made by you to the members is great, it's the approach that is in question.

Rod ...  no where does my comment states that this is the generalized voice of FWR. If you feel offended, then I apologize. I simply stated that it continues and IMO, find it damaging to both the credibility of info but mainly the image of the site you've build. Rod I'm sure you know your reputation reflexs how much work you've put into the site and you are congratulated on it. However, hypothetically speaking  ... if you hear a grating  noise coming from your engine, you'd stop and inspect it. Could it be time to maybe refleck on that?

Lets get FWR back to what it was. Good info, good reports. IMO it's time to clean up the amount of unwarranted drivel. ie: 3 locked threads today. Unfortunately it that time of year ... one you probably dread as do other mods. ;)
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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2005, 01:32:41 AM »

Why don't FN take a few pinks? Not worth the money as sockeye, thats why. For each Cheam member to eat one fish a day they only need 219,000.

They do. Don't forget about the pink and chum roe fisheries coming up, and possible coho and steelhead fisheries.

Lets get FWR back to what it was. Good info, good reports. IMO it's time to clean up the amount of unwarranted drivel. ie: 3 locked threads today. Unfortunately it that time of year ... one you probably dread as do other mods. ;)

Gotcha. The forum is constantly evolving, people come and go. I don't expect people to stay here forever because topics begin to repeat themselves as we enter the same fishing seasons again. The job of the moderators is to keep things in order, making sure inapprorpriate material does not remain on the forum once posted. The atmosphere of the forum will be decided by you, the members, as I can't control your feelings. ;)

I also want to remind people that the forum is only a small portion of the website, it does not necessarily represent the image of the entire site. My team and I spend hours each month making sure the weekly reports are updated, informaton go on the fishy news right away, new photos for people to look at, etc.

And all I gotta say is, "Finally another sockeye season is over!" ;D

I've also found it hard to understand the feeling of those who have been shut out, so I've created a graphical explanation... ;)



Jokes aside, join the Fraser Valley Salmon Society, support the SDA, have your concerns voiced by a representative.

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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2005, 01:45:18 AM »

lol ;D
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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2005, 02:21:23 AM »

LOL, Rod, but seriously no1important hits bull's eye with his statement.  Yes, why can't the natives eat pink? Didn't their ancestors eat pinks through out history? They may have a pink opening for them, but at home they probably eat sockeyes much more between the two. Why DFO gives 100% of their food quota on sockeyes, and give us, the tax payers, the license payers, the ones contributing to the building of this nation, zero sockeyes?  And now, DFO are telling you all second-class citizens to catch second-class fish, while they allow the natives to catch more of the so called remaining % of sockeyes? 

So  natives eat top-quality food fish & we eat fish that they spit out. So our government is saying it is ok for you tax payers to eat pinks but not the natives. It is their heritage to eat pricey & tasty salmon, and ours to eat spit-outs. Some may say Pinks are good.  Of course they are.  If so, why can't natives fill half of their so called 'food & ceremonial quota' with pinks, so that other user groups can share some harvest of sockeyes? 

By the way, the native claiming on CKNW that he kills 50,000 socs should have an income topping half a million for working a few weeks.  What on earth is happening to this country? Is 'white-guilt' so overwhelming in our society that this kind of racist crap is allowed to happen? You & I sweat all days for years & years to make a fraction of that.  No wonder we see some pricey crafts used in their so called 'food fishery'.

Can't you guys see the wrongs in our government?  Bantam, you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you don't even see such inequality in the treatment of us average Canadians by our elected government in fishery management, and elect to insult fellow members at this kind of times, as if you are over-joyed at others hard feelings.  Most people, me included, are upset not just because of non-retention of sockeyes, but because it is tough to swallow the inequality being dealt to us by our elected government as 2nd-class citizens.If you are so in line with SCR & their cause & get upset with posters on this site about BB, why not just stay there.  Every one of your posts is aimed at bashing and insulting to our posting members, including Rod & FWR itself.  I appeal to the mods to censor this member's posts or to delete posts that are obviously trying to stir up trouble instead of providing useful information.  I see the same mentality as Riverwatcher & gangs doing to the posts that Rod & Chris made in FishBC.  Some people's are so biased that they don't see any merits except to bash & trash at every opportunity.
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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2005, 09:50:48 AM »

Who do the 2 piglettes by dfo represent? They're getting a cut too :o
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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2005, 03:20:49 PM »

August 26th update

The Fraser River Panel met today to receive assessment information on Fraser
River sockeye and pink salmon and discuss regulatory actions.  Purse seine test
fisheries in Johnstone Strait confirm that a substantial migration of Summer-
run sockeye salmon has been occurring through this area over the past week,
which has resulted in higher estimates of their abundance.  However, the
assessed abundance of Fraser River sockeye to-date is still much lower than the
pre-season forecast.  Providing early and accurate estimates of the abundance
of Early Stuart, Early Summer-run and Summer-run sockeye this season has been
difficult because their marine migration has been much later than the latest
dates on record and because of their asymmetrical migratory pattern through the
marine assessment areas.  Consequently, run size estimates for these sockeye
have increased over-time as these very late migrating fish are accounted
through the primary assessment areas.  The estimate of the diversion rate of
Fraser River sockeye through Johnstone Strait increased over the past week and
is presently 80 percent.

Fisheries in the United States have caught approximately 25,000 Fraser River
sockeye, and an assessment fishery in Canada harvested approximately 1,100
Fraser River sockeye.  Non-commercial catches of Fraser River sockeye total
approximately 516,000 fish in First Nations and 110,000 fish in test fisheries
to-date.

The continued migration of Early Summer-run sockeye through the marine approach
areas over the past week resulted in an increase in the run size estimate of
these sockeye from 300,000 fish to 375,000 fish at the Panel meeting on August
22 and then to 400,000 fish at the meeting on August 24.  At the meeting today,
the run size estimate of Early Summer-run sockeye was increased to 450,000 fish
(63 percent of the 50 percent probability level forecast of 718,000 fish). T he
50 percent migration date of these sockeye through Area 20 is estimated to have
occurred on August 10, which is ten days later than the latest date on record
and eighteen days later than their average timing of July 23.  The estimated
escapement of Early Summer-run sockeye past Mission through August 25 is
317,000 fish.

On August 22 the Panel approved a run size estimate of 4,500,000 Summer-run
sockeye.  At the meeting on August 24 it was increased to 5,000,000 fish and at
the meeting today it was increased to 6,000,000 fish (54 percent of the 50
percent probability level forecast of 11,048,000 fish).  The 50 percent
migration date of Summer-run sockeye through Area 20 is currently estimated to
be August 22, which is six days later than their latest migration date on
record and two weeks later than their average timing of August 8.  The earlier-
timed Summer-run sockeye (Late Stuart and Stellako) are declining rapidly in
marine areas and Chilko and Quesnel sockeye now dominate in these areas.  The
escapement of Summer-run sockeye past Mission through August 25 is currently
estimated at 1,575,000 fish.
      
DNA analyses indicate that the migration of Late-run sockeye (excluding
Birkenhead sockeye) through the marine assessment areas has been low over the
past several days.  During pre-season planning, the Minister for Fisheries and
Oceans Canada adopted a maximum exploitation rate of 15 percent on the total
return of Late-run sockeye due to conservation concerns for these fish.  Late-
run conservation constraints severely limit the Panel's ability to conduct
fisheries on surplus Summer-run sockeye that may have otherwise been available
for harvest.  At the meeting today, the Panel adopted an "operational" run size
estimate of 261,000 Late-run sockeye for basing management decisions upon.  The
estimated escapement of Late-run sockeye past Mission through August 25 is
129,000 fish.
   
The Department has forecasted that the diversion rate of Fraser River pink
salmon through Johnstone Strait this season will be 35 percent and that the 50
percent migratory timing of these salmon through Area 20 will occur on August
29.  Although a relatively low migration rate of Fraser River pink salmon was
forecast through Johnstone Strait, catches from purse seine test fisheries
suggest that the migration of pink salmon through Johnstone Strait this season
continues to be much stronger than the abundance currently migrating through
Juan de Fuca Strait.  Stock identification analyses indicate that Fraser River
pink salmon comprise the majority of pink salmon presently migrating through
the marine assessment areas.  An assessment of how Fraser River pink salmon
abundance in the approach areas is tracking relative to the pre-season forecast
(16,318,000 fish at the 50 percent probability level forecast) will be provided
next week.  Fisheries in the United States have caught approximately 23,000
Fraser River pink salmon, and an assessment fishery in Canada harvested
approximately 400 fish.  Non-commercial catches of Fraser River pink salmon
total approximately 206,000 fish in First Nations, 70,000 fish in test
fisheries, and 8,000 fish in recreational fisheries to-date.  There has been an
unusually large, early migration of pink salmon into the Fraser River and there
are reports of pink salmon in the Harrison River.  The escapement of pink
salmon past Mission through August 25 is currently estimated at 282,000 fish. 
There have also been reports of large numbers of pink salmon migrating past
Hell's Gate over the past week.
   
The discharge level in the Fraser River (at Hope) on August 25 was
approximately 2,500 cms, which is 19 percent lower than average and the water
temperature of the Fraser River (at Qualark Creek) was 16.9 degrees Celsius,
which is average for this date.  Water temperatures are forecast to remain
below 18.0 degrees Celsius over the next week.  The management adjustment for
Early Summer-run sockeye is currently 166,000 fish due to their prolonged
exposure to more adverse (warmer) water temperatures in the Fraser River
resulting from their very late migratory timing this season.  The management
adjustment for Summer-run sockeye is presently 72,500 fish.  These additional
Early Summer-run and Summer-run sockeye are added to the escapement objective
to help ensure that the target escapement reaches the spawning grounds.

Approximately 1,800 sockeye have entered the Gates Creek spawning channel
through August 24.  The enumeration fence at Scotch Creek has counted over
1,600 sockeye through August 24 and most of these fish have been much smaller
than average.  The Nadina River spawning channel operator has counted over
2,700 fish through the fence to-date.  On August 19, the first Chilko sockeye
was observed at Henry's Bridge and over 1,200 sockeye have migrated past this
observation point thus far.  Enumeration programs in the Chilliwack, Upper
Pitt, Harrison, Thompson, Horsefly, Late Stuart, and Stellako sockeye systems
have commenced.  Observers at the Cultus Lake enumeration fence have counted
nine sockeye passing the fence through August 24.

First Nations

First Nations targeted Fraser River sockeye fisheries in the Fraser River will
continue this week in the in-river fisheries and an update will be provided on
August 29 following the next Fraser River Panel meeting.  Marine First Nations
fisheries targeting Fraser River sockeye will be closing as of 23:59 hours,
Saturday August 27.

Recreational

Sockeye retention remains closed in the Fraser River.  Opportunities for the
commencement of Fraser River sockeye retention are highly unlikely but will be
reviewed and an update will be provided on August 29.  Recreational fisheries
for sockeye in the marine waters will be closing as of Saturday August 27.

Commercial

Remains closed.  Opportunities for the commencement of any assessment or
commercial fisheries are highly unlikely but will be reviewed and an update
will be provided on August 29.

The Panel will meet again on August 29 to evaluate the status of the Fraser
River sockeye and pink salmon runs and to consider regulatory actions.

For more information, contact Paul Ryall at (604) 666-0115.

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Re: No dice on the Fraser fishery this year...
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2005, 03:34:39 PM »

thanx for the report rod.

why do they even bother, with posting their assessments.  it does nothing to ease the situation as it stands. they've already dangled the carrot. now they want to pour salt in our wounds.
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