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Terry Bodman

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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2005, 08:00:51 AM »

I find this thread already very interesting given that the election has just been called and can't resist putting in my two-bits worth. I am a FORMER federal Liberal supporter but will be supporting the Conservatives this time. Why? I thought you would never ask!

In my opinion, the current Federal Liberal Party is corrupt and does not deserve our support. There are no other words to describe its record given the evidence we have to date. To say that other governments have had scandals and they are all the same is oversimplification. If we re-elect the Liberals, we are saying we accept its record and behviour. We will then have the government we deserve. This is not good enough for us.

In my opinion, the Liberals don't deserve to be re-elected. It's as simple as that. When they are defeated, Liberals will clean out the current power holders and once again become a respected political party.

We will hear a great deal about winter elections and "being forced to go out and vote during wind, rain and sleet." I personally will go through snow drifts as high as a house to cast my ballot. What an opportunity we have ! Don't mess it up ! It's up to each and every one of us to say, "Enough is enough!"

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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2005, 09:25:02 PM »

Matuka Jack you don't think the Liberals are in Cahoots with big Business?  Paul " register my ships out of the country so I don't have to pay Canadian Taxes" Martin is the head of that government that thinks Bombardier needs millions and millions of your dollars to do R & D work they should be doing themselves?  They are all in with big business even the NDP because when push comes to shove that is how things are done everywhere.  The best we can do is to try and hold them accountable.  A minority Conservative government may be the most beneficial to the country. 

A minority Conservative government will never happen.  However, A Bloc Q and Conservative can band together to form the next Government.  If voters in Western Canada vote Conservative and as we know, Quebec will vote Bloc Q (Quebec Conservatives).  This would result with the Bloc Q dictating policy for the rest of Canada. 

Think about the consequences of your vote.  The future of Canada is at stake.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2005, 09:31:52 PM »

Which may not be good, expecialy for western Canada.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2005, 09:34:07 PM »

The Bloc is already in bed with the Conservatives.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2005, 09:47:42 PM »

Yes and in history, conservatives pay more attention towards the east. Mainly Quebec and Ontario.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2005, 09:52:03 PM »

I have thought about the consequences of my vote.  Any one who would accept rampant criminal activity and corruption just becasue they are afraid of something the Conservatives might do deserves to have their pocket picked by the Liberals.  And by the way you can thank the federal Liberals for the mess were in with the Bloc.  If they hadn't had their head up their butts and think they could "buy" the loyalty of Quebecers Canada would not be in this mess.  The blame goes all the way back to Trudeau. And as far as the conservatives paying more attention to the East how would we be worse off than we are now with the Liberals who don't even know where the West is?
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2005, 10:13:15 PM »


Voting for a party is scary. Before Liberal's long reign back in Trudeau's days 16 years. Canadian economy was great. But Trudeau made the social 'benefit' system better, strong government influence on economy, effectively leaned Canada towards a socialist society. And during Trudeau's years in power, Canada starts it's conquest to become world second highest debted country right behind USA.  If you look into past. Everytime a shift in party, the next 4 years will have the highest government expenditure. And soon after that tax hike.

And twice during last 2 elections. Reform party has candidates openingly making racist comments. The truth is, I miss Mulroney's days. That is when we saw the best economy in BC and Canada as a whole.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2005, 12:00:37 AM »

I am with Terry's idea.  The Liberal screwed up fishery management big time (non-existing management?) and they deserve to be replaced.  The scandal adds to the flame.  Time to extinguish the flame and try something new.  I will vote PC just to get my personal vent about the Liberal's record on fishery management.  BwiBwi is right on.  Bring back the PC.  If all members in the fishing community across the country are united to bring back PC, then perhaps they will listen to our group more.  Time for a change.  No more cut backs on fishery budget while the Liberals gave away our tax money to their friends big time.  ;)
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2005, 07:17:10 AM »

Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
Well it should be as it is a multi million dollar industry.
it may be a multi million dollar industry but the liberals are trying to make it worthless. It is worth a lot less now than 20 years ago. With any luck the conservatives will get elected. THe guy from delta/richmond (john cummins I think) will try his best to make sure there is enough fish for the commercial guys, so that will mean enough for us sporties. Vote PC!
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2005, 10:43:15 AM »

Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
Well it should be as it is a multi million dollar industry.
it may be a multi million dollar industry but the liberals are trying to make it worthless. It is worth a lot less now than 20 years ago. With any luck the conservatives will get elected. THe guy from delta/richmond (john cummins I think) will try his best to make sure there is enough fish for the commercial guys, so that will mean enough for us sporties. Vote PC!
It is up to YOU to ask the questions of the people running in your area.
If NO ONE asks about fish then they all think there is NO PROBLEM.

So, go to the meetings and ask the questions. That is the only way fishing gets addressed!
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2005, 10:51:52 AM »

Thankfully our MP is well versed on the fishing issues and even took the time to come to our SDA fundraiser two weeks ago.

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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2005, 12:55:29 PM »

I wonder which party (read between the lines Conservative) Jimmy pattison and his commercial fishing fleet support?
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2005, 01:14:56 PM »

Chris,
Your and my MP is heads above any other MP that I've observed. And, yes, we are very lucky to have him represent us in Ottawa. If he is in town, he will normally turn up at most functions. I've seen him, with his family, many times on the Vedder. I would vote for him regardless of the party he represented. We've seen what the Liberals can do.  :-[ :-[
It's time for a change.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2005, 01:27:00 PM »

Yes I like what Nostro says. Election should have been voting for a good MP regardless of party.  But because many of them belongs to a political party, many a times they have the political burden. They need to do what the party ask of them to do.  Even though they might believe otherwise.  Sometimes I wish there is no political party and each MP is on his/her own. This way there is no burden on the MP, and they can truely voice what they believe.
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Re: Liberals Fall, Hope For Our Fish This Time
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2005, 04:16:41 PM »

Forget about your vote for a moment. 

If you want to effect policy then who is elected and who is not are questions totally beside the point.  Party politics is a smoke screen, they are all the same, they make the same promices, they brake the same promices.  They follow the same policy trends from government to government and from party to party.  That's a fact.  Governments in this era are not the all powerfull entities of years past.

If you want to make a difference to it though extraelectoral means.  Activism, organizing and taking actions.  Shoving a piece of paper in a box and crossing your fingers is not effective at all.  It just gives politicos free run NOT to do what you want.  Voting is only the smallest part of our liberal democratic rights.  It's not the whole pie, it is but a crumb.

Rodney is totally right in this.  Hopes and wishes aren't going to save anything.
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