whites on the vedder are a dime a dozen, when there in the vedder im usually fishing for coho, in which i find them a nusince, they were introduced in the vedder which wrecked the coho fishery, on the fraser for reds my biggest is 32and a half i only fish with 12lb main and 10lb leader and number 2 hooks for springs, and i dont loose very many cause you have miles of bar to walk, whites down here if they are bullet crome will still turn a bit in color, that dosent mean anything you could take news paper wrap them in it and they will turn back to crome most guys throw them back unless they are does for the roe, i find they are great eating just like the reds and the marbles are great tasting fish also the average size for the whites on the vedder are about 15lbs-19lbs the average size for the reds are 12lbs-17lbs a little smaller average but there are still plenty of 25lbsers for both species