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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: liketofish on March 15, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
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Most of us don't get a hatchery steelhead on a trip. So this is only a theoretical discussion of the daily quota of steelhead in Region 2. The daily quota of hatchery steelhead is 2 according to the regulations here:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_region2.pdf
The river specific daily quota of Chehalis is 1, and so is the chilliwack/Vedder. What about rivers not mentioned specifically, like the Alouette and Stave, for example? Does that mean that region daily quota of 2 applies for these if there is no river specific quota? That means you don't have to stop fishing if you keep 1 hatchery steelhead there? Kind of unthinkable for these smaller systems to produce 2 hatchery steelhead for any one though. ;D
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The river specific daily quota of Chehalis is 1, and so is the chilliwack/Vedder. What about rivers not mentioned specifically, like the Alouette and Stave, for example? Does that mean that region daily quota of 2 applies for these if there is no river specific quota? That means you don't have to stop fishing if you keep 1 hatchery steelhead there? Kind of unthinkable for these smaller systems to produce 2 hatchery steelhead for any one though. ;D
That is correct, "When you have caught and retained your daily quota of hatchery steelhead from any water, you must stop fishing that water for the remainder of that day". The Stave for example has no "exceptions to the regional regulations" so that means the daily quota there is two, so you could bonk a hatchery then continue to fish the river then bonk another later.
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This brings up the next question that I have, which popped up while I was doing the Stave River news release a few weeks ago (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/2013-01-22-stave-river-adult-steelhead-angler-creel.html). For systems where two hatchery steelhead are allowed per day, such as Stave River, is it only one of the two fish can be over 50cm long as specified in the Region 2 regulations (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_region2.pdf). I am almost certain it is, but would like to see how the others interpret the regulations.
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This brings up the next question that I have, which popped up while I was doing the Stave River news release a few weeks ago (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/2013-01-22-stave-river-adult-steelhead-angler-creel.html). For systems where two hatchery steelhead are allowed per day, such as Stave River, is it only one of the two fish can be over 50cm long as specified in the Region 2 regulations (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_region2.pdf). I am almost certain it is, but would like to see how the others interpret the regulations.
My take is that you can keep 2 fish over 50cm.
A steelhead is defined as a Rainbow Trout over 50cm in waters that normally hold anadromous fish. So by definition anything under 50cm is a hatchery rainbow trout, not a steelhead.
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That's how I've always interpreted (1 trout over 50cm allowed in the daily quota of four trout/day, but two hatchery steelhead are allowed), until a colleague told me otherwise so not sure which one is correct anymore.
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It is 2 Hatchery Steelhead a day as far as i know.
This doesnt sit well with me as i think 1 is plenty when we are talking about Steelhead.Hatchery or not.
It also helps with overcrowding if you have to leave after 1.
There not even that good to eat unless you smoke them so i dont understand why anyone would need a freezer full of Steelhead.
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That's how I've always interpreted (1 trout over 50cm allowed in the daily quota of four trout/day, but two hatchery steelhead are allowed), until a colleague told me otherwise so not sure which one is correct anymore.
Not sure where the confusion for your friend is Rod, as the reg clearly states:
Trout/Char 4, but not more than
- 1 over 50cm
(2 hatchery steelhead allowed)
This clearly indicates that if the trout are hatchery steelhead then you are allowed 2 over 50cm. The real question is, if I catch a hatchery steelhead over 50 cm on the Stave, and then catch a hatchery cuttie over 50 cm, can I continue to fish for my 2nd steelhead or does the cuttie count as my 2nd hatchery steelhead allowed? Can you imagine someone actually killing 3 fish over 50 cm from that system, hatchery or not?
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I have always found this section of the regulations bizarre. You can retain two hatchery steelhead from the systems that have none and one from the systems that have some.
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The rule is poorly written. It is clear to me as well the 2 steelhead rule is an exception to the 1 fish over 50cm. Sandman's point is exactly my concern.I think you could retain a steelhead and another non rainbow trout over 50cm. I can see someone trying to retain 2 steelhead and a 3rd fish over 50 cm.
They need to change the writting. Trout/Char 4 but not more than.
1 over 50cm
Or 2 over 50cm as long as at least 1fish is a hatchery steelhead
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I have always found this section of the regulations bizarre. You can retain two hatchery steelhead from the systems that have none and one from the systems that have some.
I guess fisheries want more people go to where there is none than where there have some, lol. ;D
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Maybe they want more hatchery fish killed by less anglers on rivers such as the Alouette because it doesn't see heavy pressure like the ched...
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Can you imagine someone actually killing 3 fish over 50 cm from that system, hatchery or not?
Sadly, hundreds of people province-wide fish without having a clue about the regs and they kill everything they hook into. They believe that in buying the license, they can keep everything they catch.
I believe that the time has come for the Province to implement a knowledge test for wannabe-fishermen in both official languages, something akin to the knowledge part of the hunter's CORE. If you can't demonstrate you can at least recognize your fish species and interpret the regs at a minimum 75% proficiency, sorry, you can't fish.
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Implementing a knowledge test is not the be all and end all. We are all required to demonstrate a knowledge of the road when we apply for a driver's licence, yet we still see people speeding, talking on their cells, texting, drinking and driving.
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I have heard of fisherman going to Chehalis after bonking a hatchery steelhead on the Vedder, or vice versa, to look for their second hatchery or just keep on fishing. Is this allowed under regulations?
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I can recall the regs had a monthly quota of 2 hatchery Steelhead.That topic was frequently discussed among the river anglers that I spoke with in the past.
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I have heard of fisherman going to Chehalis after bonking a hatchery steelhead on the Vedder, or vice versa, to look for their second hatchery or just keep on fishing. Is this allowed under regulations?
From the wordings of the regulation, there seems to be no conflict with the rules. You stop fishing at the water you retain a steelhead, but it does not say you cannot fish at another river to reach your daily quota of 2.
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I can recall the regs had a monthly quota of 2 hatchery Steelhead.That topic was frequently discussed among the river anglers that I spoke with in the past.
Hmm... I don't think so... I'm pretty sure they must have been talking about the daily aggregate limit for steelhead...
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Maybe they want more hatchery fish killed by less anglers on rivers such as the Alouette because it doesn't see heavy pressure like the ched...
You obviously dont fish the Allouette.
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I have heard of fisherman going to Chehalis after bonking a hatchery steelhead on the Vedder, or vice versa, to look for their second hatchery or just keep on fishing. Is this allowed under regulations?
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You obviously dont fish the Allouette.
Very obvious!! Its busy as hell. Fish are now kelts anyways.
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You obviously dont fish the Allouette.
Think of when the regs were written for that river... :o Oh yeah back when it had little pressure... ::)
Fish are now kelts anyways.
??? :-X
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the allouette has more presure on it then i have ever seen. bbronswyk2000 said it best kelts now anyways. little over rated for what people have been saying about it
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Saw a guy whack two hatchery steelies last year on the Stave. He got both drift fishing, they were chromers.
Fished it myself for steel a few times with SFA to show for it.
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This is absurd. I have fished the Al for almost 40 years and it is far from a "mini vedder." While there are likely more people fishing it today, there are also a hell of a lot more people today, period. The only reason it "seems" as crowded is that there are fewer places to fish on the Al due to all the private property, so the few people there (I counted 12 guys from Alco to Neaves, and 6 of them were at 216th) tend to clump together even more than the Vedder. With fewer places to access the river, the chances of finding a spot without someone already there, can be just as hard as at the Vedder, however, it was just as hard 20 years ago as it was today. I have vivid memories of fishing with my father and there was always someone else above us or below us on most of the popular runs. That being said, every spot I fished today was free of other fishermen (excepting the 2 young boys fishing the park run near my late father's memorial bench), and I did not see any fish all morning, and there were not even signs of any cutties yet in the lower reaches. THAT lack of fish, is why this little stream will never be a "mini vedder."
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Ive also fished it for a long time and it is definitely busier now than ever.
I like to do drive bys in the am with my coffee and while taking the dog out and if your not at a spot 15 minutes before it gets light out,good luck finding somewhere to fish.
Has been ridiculous this year and next year will be even busier.
That is what has been happening for the last 10 years or so.
But,licence sales are down. :o