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[BIG T]

Hi Brain,thanks for the response,i recently bought 2 centerpin rods from searun tackle,the 3106L and 3113m,but the only disappiontment i got from these 2 rods is the reel seat,which does not fit my talisman and the hardy long foot,plus it doesnt seat my islander,some of my JW young reels and most of my collection as well as my other pin rod seat,i guess you design on those seat are not just not deep and long enough,i did try to contact searun(kelly and andrew),they understand what i got into,but they just cannot help me with it ,unless they custom built one for me,o well. all i am trying to say your design was good but is not good enough,i also heard they have the same problem with some of the freds customers too.  Hope this will help you with your design in the future,and please let me know if you have any suggestion.  Thanks

[Brian Babcock]

Big T,

I am aware of this problem with certain pins. Your Islander should fit, though??? Here's the problem. There is no standardized size for the foot on pins amongst individual manufacturers let alone the industry. Hardy is a perfect example. They have several lengths as well as widths. It sounds as though you have a bit of a collection and yes, your older ones are going to cause problems. From a design perspective, I had to choose a seat that would fit the majority of pins - Silex (mid 80's and newer), Islander, newer JW Youngs to name a few. If I was to go with a longer seat to accomodate some of the older reels, I'm sure there would be complaints about the 2" of exposed threads when using a newer pin. This is nothing new. I ran into this all the time when I was custom building at my shop. That was one reason why we used to do so many "W-Fittings". They'll fit anything but they're not durable enough for a factory rod application.

I would love to help you out on this one. Why don't you give me a shout next week at 604 944 9224 and I'll see what I can do. Alternatively, e-mail me at sagegear@telus.net I'm sure we can find a solution so that you can enjoy those rods with your collection. Thanks.

Brian Babcock

[BIG T]

Big T,

I am aware of this problem with certain pins. Your Islander should fit, though??? Here's the problem. There is no standardized size for the foot on pins amongst individual manufacturers let alone the industry. Hardy is a perfect example. They have several lengths as well as widths. It sounds as though you have a bit of a collection and yes, your older ones are going to cause problems. From a design perspective, I had to choose a seat that would fit the majority of pins - Silex (mid 80's and newer), Islander, newer JW Youngs to name a few. If I was to go with a longer seat to accomodate some of the older reels, I'm sure there would be complaints about the 2" of exposed threads when using a newer pin. This is nothing new. I ran into this all the time when I was custom building at my shop. That was one reason why we used to do so many "W-Fittings". They'll fit anything but they're not durable enough for a factory rod application.

I would love to help you out on this one. Why don't you give me a shout next week at 604 944 9224 and I'll see what I can do. Alternatively, e-mail me at sagegear@telus.net I'm sure we can find a solution so that you can enjoy those rods with your collection. Thanks.

Brian Babcock

Hi Brain ,Thanks for the response again,i had 2 newer JW young newer version(seldex ll and a trudex ll)and the islander,they all doesnt fit it far enough,may be caught on a litttle more than 1/16 of a inch on both side,i think the problem is the seat slot just not deep enough or you call that too shallow,but i will call you for sure next week,thanks for the concern.

[Fish Assassin]

Appreciate the clarification Brian. Now everyone can go to bed knowing that they are the same blanks.

[Xgolfman]

How do we know this is the new Brian and not the old Brian???

[norm_2]

Xgolfman, that is a good line.

Brian B, new or old, could you elaborate on any of the rods which are in the works and Sage will go ahead with?  I presume some are for us BC guys?  Thanks.

[Steelhead King]

So Thomas, since you agreed with Brian.. Then the test that you or your buddy conduct is just a pile of BS that you made up to make yourself looks good ? BTW, which derby were you in at Noootka??

[Brian Babcock]

How do we know this is the new Brian and not the old Brian???
The new is exactly the same as the old. Colour change only. Just grey now instead of brown!

Norm,

I can't get specific at this time as we are still in the testing stages. I will say that BC is the shining star in the Sage Gear program and we are certainly going to continue to address this market.

Brian

[allwaysfishin]

Marco, chill it buddy, we have no beefs you and I.
I build rods for a rather eccentric friend of ours who is retired and has more $$ than he knows what to do with. I could care less about the "test" but he wanted to do it so... who cares. Has nothing to do with me "looking good". Anyhow, I know that Brian is the lead man on the new sage lines, and hearing it from him settles it. Am I gonna argue with him ... I don't think so and I think it's great that Brian came on here to settle the matter for everybody who has thier doubts.

Funny thing about this..... everyone including a ton of guys from this site, have been of the mind that the old ones are better... why do you think guys were trying to charge 300 plus for the old blanks, dusted off from in thier closets??? I'm not the only guy who questioned it so don't single me out. I can think of a few guys who emailed me in the past asking outrageous amounts for thier unbuilt blanks.... cuz they ain't like the new ones i kept hearing. what a joke.


Also, the Nootka derby I am invited to every year has been growing in size since 1999. It is an invitation only derby hosted by several business unrelated to fishing. The organizer has deep roots in nootka sound and is well known around those parts. Look for his lodge to be opening in the next year or so.
Our derby runs out of Tuta Bay marina and we are very close friends with the owners of that outfit as well, Larry and his family are awesome folks.

Anyhow, you guys wanna single me out because I want to question things.... far be it from me to stop ya, but don't go makin it personal. I'm not the only guy that raised the question.

[CAPTAIN BONK]

DOES IT REALLY MATTER? I MEAN THEY R BOTH GREAT RODS, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT PERSONAL PREFERENCE !

[Sam Salmon]

Hi folks. I thought I had better jump in here and clarify a few things. First off, so everyone understands where I'm coming from, I have run the Sage Gear program for the past two years. Any and all changes are my responsibility. I initiated the factory rods and was responsible for the colour change. I develop all of the new models and decide which old ones stay.

For the record, the new green blanks are exactly the same as the old brown blanks. Colour change only.I hope this clears up any confusion.

Brian Babcock

Thanks for  the input Brian!

As mentioned by SS there is some real Bee Ess on this thread and it's good to get the goods from the horse's mouth not his a**.

I used to own a 3113MB but didn't like the slow action so bought a Loomis.

This was just after production of old the brown ones was stopped so the price skyrocketed and I ended up selling  a 4 year old 3113 for a hundred more than I paid for it!

[CAPTAIN BONK]

I used to own a 3113MB but didn't like the slow action so bought a Loomis.

^ I CAN SEE WARRANTY WORK IN YOUR FUTURE !

[SnaggedADuck]

Why did sage call it a new line, at least i think Gear is a new line, of rods if they are exactly the same as the brown blanks?

[Brian Babcock]

First off, Sage has never before offered factory Gear rods - so this is new. Second, although some models are the same as the old brown blanks, there is some new rods being offered - CT296F, CT396F, SP196, SP296, SP286, SP290. Additionally, there is some exciting new product on the horizon. All this considered, I think it is fair for Sage to call Gear a "new" program.

Brian

[Gooey]

I was looking a a custom rod builders web site and his blanks catalog (looked like it was provide by sage directly) talk of BAR FISHING rods they will be producing...man another great excuse to go out and buy another sage